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Re: Whitley Strieber
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2019, 10:21:31 pm »
FBI Memorandum 6751, go to Page 22 of 69

"...They do NOT come from a planet as we use the word, but from an etheric planet which interpenetrates with our own and is not perceptible to us. The bodies of the visitors, and the craft, automatically materialize on entering the vibratory rate of our dense matter. The disks possess a type of radiant energy or a ray, which will easily disintegrate any attacking ship. They reenter the etheric at will, and so simply disappear from our vision, without a trace. The region from which they come is not the “astral plane”, but corresponds to the Lokas or Talas. Students of esoteric matters will understand these terms. They probably cannot be reached by radio, but probably can be by radar. if a signal system can be devised for that apparatus. We give information and warning and can do no more. Let the newcomers be treated with every kindness. Unless the disks are with-(illegible) a (illegible, illegible) with which our culture and science are incapable of dealing. A heavy responsibility rests upon the few in authority who are able to understand this matter.

Addendum: The Lokas are oval-shaped, fluted length, oval with a heat-resisting metal or alloy not yet known, the front cage contains the controls, the middle portion a laboratory; the rear contains armament, which consists essentially of a powerful energy apparatus, perhaps a ray."

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Of course we learn his implant was meteoric and we revisit how it jumped and moved when a surgeon unsuccessfully put scalpel to it.
The moving implant/meteor composition sounds pretty much the same as Dr Roger Leirs accounts. Corroboration or plagiarism?

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Re: Whitley Strieber
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2019, 07:24:53 pm »
FBI Memorandum 6751, go to Page 22 of 69

"...They do NOT come from a planet as we use the word, but from an etheric planet which interpenetrates with our own and is not perceptible to us. The bodies of the visitors, and the craft, automatically materialize on entering the vibratory rate of our dense matter. The disks possess a type of radiant energy or a ray, which will easily disintegrate any attacking ship. They reenter the etheric at will, and so simply disappear from our vision, without a trace. The region from which they come is not the “astral plane”, but corresponds to the Lokas or Talas. Students of esoteric matters will understand these terms. They probably cannot be reached by radio, but probably can be by radar. if a signal system can be devised for that apparatus. We give information and warning and can do no more. Let the newcomers be treated with every kindness. Unless the disks are with-(illegible) a (illegible, illegible) with which our culture and science are incapable of dealing. A heavy responsibility rests upon the few in authority who are able to understand this matter.

Addendum: The Lokas are oval-shaped, fluted length, oval with a heat-resisting metal or alloy not yet known, the front cage contains the controls, the middle portion a laboratory; the rear contains armament, which consists essentially of a powerful energy apparatus, perhaps a ray."

This is one of the most pertinent citations presented yet, thanks Padre!

Amazing to think that way back in '47 they had this much of it sussed and on report.

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The moving implant/meteor composition sounds pretty much the same as Dr Roger Leirs accounts. Corroboration or plagiarism?

I think I'll take the word of the surgeon Dr. Lerma (not Dr, Lier)  and Anne who video'd the operation as well as the tech who was baffled that the implant fragment they managed to scrape off in surgery, while meteoric in composition also demonstrated the presence of growing cilia!

Pretty amazing biological unlikelihood.





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Re: Whitley Strieber
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2019, 07:26:20 pm »
Does he ever address the greys-as-future-humans-time-travelling theory a la HG Wells Man of the year 1 million/Morlocks
Yes but that's way ahead of my chapter by chapter review, still it is mentioned that the Kobolds told one frightened woman who found them hideous that they were "her in the future".

That's near the ned of the book! 8)

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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2019, 12:17:05 am »
Well there was that strange incident where that Israeli moon probe bukkaked tardigrades all over the moon

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Re: Whitley Strieber
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2019, 05:49:46 pm »
Well there was that strange incident where that Israeli moon probe bukkaked tardigrades all over the moon

https://youtu.be/KCzDMuph8A4

Terraforming by "accident"?

Tartigrades and human DNA samples, wtf could go "wrong" there... :-\




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Re: Whitley Strieber
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2019, 08:20:08 pm »
Chapter 7 finds Whitley alone after Anne's passing and awakening in bed to his nipple being tweaked! The Asphodel riff continues as he contemplates a mirror universe alongside our own. His meditations, apparently told now in retrospect, are interrupted by the visitors to the point he calls them out to appear in human form, and one does, at the foot of his bed.  He takes the man's hand, smells him, and pronounces him to be "ripe", as in not well washed. But the hand has solidity to it which is a new wrinkle. He returns to his present day meditations which are marked by interruptions such as being blown on and kissed - plainly Anne is involved. Fast forward to a stay with Dr. Jeff Kripal in the same room at the Esalen Institute in which Whitley is visited again. Kripal sleeps through it but experiences something akin to his world crashing in on him. More instances off the human fear reaction to the visitors follow including a man who looked into the eyes of one and was cursed to spend the rest of his days in a state of permanent deja vu.

Chapter 8 finds the narrative back in his cabin in the late 80s. Guests are experiencing the visitors, but in a way that makes the sound of rain on the roof, not the footsteps Whitley hears. Raven Dana plays heavily in the reconstruction apparently meeting her brother, dead for 20 years, standing in the woods in a robe. Back in the cabin asleep she has a physical contact with one of the visitors but first reports seeing the "eye of Horus" on the wall - a symbol of the Egyptian mystery schools. Another guest sees the visitors and one's head morphs into that of a falcon, again mystery school symbology factors. Then another visitor is seen turning into the bird of paradise - the hieroglyphic nature of their communication is emphasized in that we can not talk directly to them. The falcon glyph coincides with Horus and the star Sirius, the so-called dog star. Whitley also ties the "9 knocks" he hears when they come to him as akin to the 33rd degree initiation ritual in Masonry.

It's at this point that the book almost becomes a riff on a series of historic icons, drawing us back to the ubiquity of the visitors through human pre-history.






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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2019, 12:07:59 am »
Esalen Institute
Sometimes I wonder if Whitley isnt just a giant guinea pig. Didnt he say he had some sort of childhood trauma? Wasnt he from a military family?

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Re: Whitley Strieber
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2020, 10:12:59 pm »
Sometimes I wonder if Whitley isnt just a giant guinea pig. Didnt he say he had some sort of childhood trauma? Wasnt he from a military family?

I have the same thought - that his experiences bear far too many commonalities to CIA mind control programs of the 1960s.

He did have childhood trauma - being placed in that program where the kids went in the Skinner box had to be a skull fuck.

And indeed he is from a military family - military intel too.

Suffice too say my estimation of the grays is far less positive than his, but that's a subject to expand upon my next book review, which I promise will be a dilly!

Now back to "A New World" - Cliff's Notes version... ::)

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« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2020, 10:34:05 pm »
In chapter 9 Whitley delves into the apparent psychic vampirism of the visitors, whose lives he describes as an "eternal present" one in which they're devoid of wonder, beauty and excitement except for...what they can suck out of US -  Mr. Waternoose indeed!

https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/b/b4/Monsters%2C_Inc._Waternoose.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20130508065932

He as much as consigns us to being an unwilling if not unwitting "loosh factory"! So for this we're supposed to "join together" and provide the excitement for THEM??? And this partnership is based upon what, our giving THEM ecstasy? How one-sided is that? And of course he confirms that they live along side us already, so good luck opting out on the loosh donations, oh well...

And should we abandon ourselves entirely, they get all of us, or what we use to be. That part is troublesome, like squatters'  rights on the soul. He recounts how they pushed him hard to get this book out and that his fear of them has diminished over the years, if not that of his cats. So this symbiotic relationship may not be as wholesome as he thinks, that or his cats are simply a quaint annoyance when the nine knocks come in the night.  Discussion of the spine and our 3 bodies follows - the ka, ba, and ash...the latter surviving physical death.But he cites Anne's observation that the evil do not survive death, rather they disappear - a hopeful thought!

Out of body experiences however are something that allows them to taste our energy, again very one-sided.  And he's fine with our spines light energy being attacked in the night and our role in a predator/prey experience, hardly the kind of thing to convince the average reader of the visitors' benevolence.  And when faced with reprimands over his own "arrogance" Whitley has his bank accounts messed with, not such a benevolent lesson at all.

At the end of all this the visitors come of as petulant harvesters, justifying taking all our energies, attachments, and earthly things from us not as punishment, oh no...but rather to free us and our souls. For what? Well then, there's a chapter for another day!

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« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2020, 06:57:47 pm »
The much awaited (it was...right???) chapter 10:

Whitley credits Bud Hopkins and 1960 as the date for the first "forced abductions" by the visitors. Hopkins recommends hypnosis and Whitley and a Dr. Klein engage in 2 sessions leading to the material in "Communion". In the first session a Kobold looks in, sending Whitley into screaming terror - and no wonder given he was in a "safe space" at the time. Mention of the FREE organization and their work into correlating the terror of the first experience with the visitors into life long perceptual journey with 5,000 sample sets to track the progress of the visitations and the visited's reactions to them is highlighted.

Again the discussion of past life experiences and near death return to the milieu, the premise being that our consciousness is being "expanded" - certainly Whitley's celestial family was as his semen was harvested and he and Anne were shown a baby - likely a hybrid of his own seed. I may have to go back in the earlier books to cross-reference that as I do not recall mention of it, though it has been some years since I first read the series.

Whitley riffs off on our many human inconsistencies, seemingly to absolve the visitors of how they torture and relate to us - a pattern is emerging. His horror and abuse are somehow a "good thing" in some larger evolutionary sense. Stockholm syndrome perhaps writ with rose colored hindsight lenses. The cattle mutilations are not far from what we do for "science", so we ought to get over it. Uh huh. So their spinal column removal is just a way for the visitors to get to the light in us physical beings, to "access" our energetic body. Wow. Just freaking wow.

The cat mutilations of the Pacific Northwest are cited, then back to the San Antonio apartment for a redux of the small smoking alien squatters. They manage to loot a convenience store of tobacco products in broad daylight with no one the wiser save for Whitley. Mention of street people being mutilated ritually follow, spines removed of course...found on roof tops. Whitley finally relents that stealing our soul by spine removal is indeed a crime - ya think?  So he confesses we may all be under threat - do tell! But it's allegedly all about how we lose our fear of them - rather a dicey move when one's spine is being yanked out. But he thinks they react better to our trying to quell of inner fears.

Why am I put in the mind of:





And was this early B&W sci-fi flic warning us of the etheric nature of the spinal column and the fear attendant in its release from the body physical?

For all the excuses Whitley makes for the fact we're being mutilated, horrified, hybridized, and outright slaughtered, he at least questions if it's  abad thing. A start, albeit a late one.

More to follow - here in the anechoic chamber of visitor-reflection silence.





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Re: Whitley Strieber
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2020, 07:29:51 pm »
Before I move on to Chapter 11, there's a "spoiler alert" to share:

https://www.unknowncountry.com/dreamland/linda-moulton-howe-and-whitley-strieber-discuss-their-expectations-for-2020-with-some-surprises/

Linda Moulton Howe returns to Dreamland to discuss what Col. Philip Corso’s immortal phrase “a new world if you can take it” means to her and what it is going to mean in 2020 and beyond. Will 2020 be “the year” that the world faces the reality that there is somebody here whose nature we do not know and whose presence and motives we do not know.

Linda took over a hundred notes while reading A New World, and she goes through them in this fascinating show, exploring the information in A New World as only Linda Moulton Howe can, ranging over her lifetime of experience and research. The discussion of “resurrection technology” as it appears in Glimpses of Other Realities is stunning–and, for that matter, so is the entire interview! You will never forget, among other things, the story Linda tells of a witness who saw herself die, then return in a new version of her body and ask the agonizing question, “who am I?”

At one point, Linda says, “We have a brand new universe that’s coming. It isn’t just the headline ‘we are not alone,’ it is an entirely new relationship with the fundamental fabric of reality.”


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When I heard Whitley’s analysis of the 3 metallic screeching noises in this recording, I found myself nodding in agreement… it is in large part those associated with Earth, whose physical lives were completed, who support the new scientific and spiritual questions we explore at the dawn of a new decade, in January 2020.
When you discuss the transition from beryllium-7 to lithium-7, I was surprised because beryllium, which is almost never found in concentration on Earth, is an extreme poison.
INDY  JANUARY 10, 2020

This truly is a must listen interview.

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« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2020, 12:03:34 am »
Chapter 11 -

Begins with some name-dropping of contactee scientists, none of who I was familiar with, then transitions into the story of the bi-location of a Frecn nun in the 1600s to what would later become the state of New Mexico and her ministering to the "Jumanos", a literal physical impossibility - ergo the "bi-location" thesis. Streiber refers to a "donation site" close by where a UFO crashed as significant.He cautions that the natives were being brutally oppressed, if not outright exterminated by the Spaniards at the time and draws a somewhat tenuous parallel to modern"contact", in that we must be cautious interacting with our ET "Spaniards" if you will. Indeed. And I concur the ethics of ET may be no less brutal than those of the Spaniards.



We need to be reticent to deify these aliens and to accept any premise they offer that we have no soul. This is a critical test interaction.

As an aside, and for those unfamiliar with the brutality of the Conquistadores, the story of Juan de Onate and the removal of the natives' feet is a harsh lesson to reconnect with:

https://unseennewmexico.org/2018/06/03/spanish-white-power-movements-are-on-the-rise-but-we-hav-eour-own-version-right-here-in-new-mexico/

So…why would anyone be opposed to celebrating Juan de Oñate, you might ask?

For starters, he was a career criminal who was tried and convicted of rape, murder, and theft – crimes for which he was exiled from the state of New Mexico for life. In fact, Oñate was such a shitty leader that 2/3 of the Spanish colonists he led to New Mexico deserted his settlement and fled. Perhaps most importantly, he is best known for having ordered the enslavement of Acoma women and children, and ordering that all Acoma men over the age of 25 have one of their feet chopped off.

Seriously. This is the murderous clown that a small group of New Mexican hispanos is rushing to defend.

The hispanos view their veneration of Juan de Oñate as a matter of European birthright, and perceive any criticism of Oñate and the parade held in his honor as an assault on their culture. And therein lies the problem: by framing Oñate as the embodiment of their culture, Oñate supporters have painted themselves into an ideological corner, creating an intractable situation in which even the slightest compromise would be seen as complete cultural surrender. In their minds, admitting that Oñate was a piece of shit is tantamount to admitting that their culture is also shit.

This fear of somehow betraying their heritage prevents them from ever doing the right thing in this situation, which would be to commemorate history without glorifying a murdering rapist. But perhaps creating such an immovable position was the plan all along.


(this is a political article, but Onate's unimaginable brutality bears condemnation, and perhaps the visitor's spinal removals and organ thefts are analogous, no?)



But the promise of non-physical travel intrigues him, as well it ought to. I'd hoped for some Monroe Institute discussion here, alas no, the Noetic Institute would have to suffice and an OOBE he had with Jeff Kripal is recounted. Yet Whitley can't reach Kripal, instead conversing on the etheric level with a man in another room who then veers his study toward religion, fascinating.

By 2017 Whitley is insistent the visitors emerge...and they test him...herein is the leg scratch tale, a creepy one for sure. 



Some fairly weak rationalizing on the duality of human nature and possibly that of the visitors follows, but it's cold comfort to know they could have their own Hitler, reptilian or otherwise. We truly are in as subordinate a position as the Jumanos were with the Spaniards.

There's a lot of high-minded sentiment expressed that we are somehow needing to (as I read it) conquer our fears to make contact work, as opposed to these lofty visitors with all the technology doing their part to assuage our fears. And I can't recall Linda in her latest interview calling them to task either. Why are WE ( the subordinates in all this) somehow charged with making things easier on the visitors?

I'm having some misgivings here, but there is more to come... :o



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Re: Whitley Strieber
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2020, 08:47:48 pm »
Chapter 12 -

Whitley ponders that by trying to establish a physical proof of and contact with the visitors it is WE who are making a mistake...yet somehow faires , glyphs, etc. are their effort to enter our concrete universe from a parallel one to "save it"???

Sure they've been here as long as we have, sure we see them now more as aliens then in past epochs as "demons"...but (my concern) what if there is no functional difference?



Whitley then allows as to how his experiences might not have been "real"...perhaps also his entry to the "city of truth" - a fortress of endless blinding white light too?  Some rather swollen rhetoric on the parallel universes and such ensues leading to Shrodinger's Cat, oh wotta surprise!




So we're all a product of wave function, neither real not unreal, a world of mirrors...and so on. He finally quizzes his implant for clarity and out pop:

Wolfgang Pauli, Carl Jung, th Gettier paradox, it gets more convoluted at each invocation, imho.  So we're back to output vs. input thinking, fine... a long way 'round to get there. No fixed reality, the brain as a detector, it has become circular - this firing squad of the real and non-real he lines up for us and then demands simultaneous fealty to both. Back and forth he seesaws between the visitors being real, our inability to prove it, the universe is frankly a hologram of sorts, just an endless dog chasing its metaphysical tail. By this stage of the book I'm becoming a bit peeved at the retreat to existential angst over what is or is not reality!  Fuck all - does it matter? It is what it is! For Crissakes!



He concludes:

"Live the question, and you are living in the new world."

I dunno Whit...maybe we're trapped irrevocably in the OLD WORLD!

No, he doesn't bother to address that at all.












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« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2020, 11:12:42 pm »
Chapter 13 - It Is Time

...tyo start by enumerating the "visitors" as several or more species including:

~ The Kobolds
~ The Nordics (tall blonds)
~ The small primates (mistaken for dogs)
~ The Grays (goblin-like)
~ The human-like ones who read minds...

All of whom Anne warned Whitley not to try and link up before he could connect the dots. Apparently they don't see our wars as anything more than a reaction to overcrowding. I'm sure any Caliphonyan worth their zero clearance multi-million$ bungalow might concur, before moving out to Boise to elect a new bunch of feckless DemoTards and then wonder what happened to the "quality of life" they moved there for...but I digress...although not that much given Whitley abandoned San Antonio for Santa Monica, huh...hardly the move of a poverty stricken writer who posts Gofundme's to pay for his website reboot, eh?

So then we get some climate change doggerel from a man who ought to know better, sigh...why don't the berloody "visitors" clean the ant farm out again then if it's become too effing  messy? Oh...maybe that is just what they have planned for us!



Then Whitley complains he has no publisher for his book, but again, we know THAT is not true as here IT is! 

A quick zig zag to stating we may not be humans at all, we may be aliens in human form! A bizarre tale of a cardboard jet liner "prop" of sorts crashing on a NY highway in mid day and aliens who cautioned the witness to "get out" ensues - how this folds in now I can't say, but it dovetails into a visitation a friend of their snamed Lorie had when pregnant and the Kobolds expressed interest in the baby girl she was carrying. She blurts out to them how ugly they are and they reply that she'll "look just like us" one day. A depressing thought for sure!



No less so than a friend who died in surgery, appeared to Whitley in the waiting room and then was apparently whisked away by the Kobolds and placed into the body of a newborn in India, causing the poor chap to scream out in fear! Ya think? I know I would...



Fast forward to June of 2019 and the visitors get "in" to Whitley and download an unfamiliar schematic of some sort. He gets a bit freaked out and invokes prayer to keep the little bugger sout of him without his express permission. This leads to a visitation from a Euclidian object of 2 intersecting black disks, the vesica piscis - both a Christian AND a Masonic symbol...how convenient!



So the vesica falls on his feet and he fears it will envelop and then enter him - but it's replaced by man pointing a silver toy gun at him, all apparently meaning to him their desire for greater contact (plus a threat) - a trending theme of this book as its title foreshadowed, but the gun he feels is their veiled threat to him personally, Ok then...

Whitley then tries out a sleep recorder app and finds it captures some of his words but also a sigh he thinks sounds feminine. The visitor's name he calls out is "Mature" - a version of "Master". I expected a "Master of the Key" reference from his Toronto hotel experience back in the 70s, but that thread wasn't continued, odd...by October the short man who haunted them in upstate New York and again with the smokes and squatters in San Antonio is back for another try. But he no longer smokes, is childlike,  and he has a pretty woman with him. She tells Whitley she has known him "since (he) was born". Now he loses his fears and sees "Communion" as being like death, of all things!

The questions we ask are answered in their demonstrations and life events and of course he feels we've a planet to lose, or a "new life" to embark on.

"We must decide, and now, and so must they. It is time."

My sense at the conclusion of all this is that really precious few of us ( and I think it's almost none) have the mental accuity, emotional strength, or scientific and religious background to embrace such a twisted and allegorical relationship. It sounds quite exciting, seriously frightening, almost a metaphysical roller coaster ride of the most thrilling but repellent ferocity to me.

So wither the "toy gun/threat"?

Will they flood the alien ant farm called Earth again and wash the pestilent overcrowding away?



Our migrating poles and potential earth changes and recently quite active volcanism hint that perhaps this is their "veiled" threat to us.

Frankly how else does one explain the religious fervor that accompanies the junk science that comprises the entire "global warming" charade? Sure it's a tax and spend scheme of Tulipmania social proportions writ even larger with pseudo-technology and instant gratification communication via the interwebs, but we already know the Al Gore's and Great Thunberg's of this global con job are in if for their own monetary enrichment, or at least we ought to by now.

So let's posit that mankind doesn't take their allegorical threat to heart, doesn't believe in their power, their presence, or determination. ATIP and the US Navy be damned!

Wither then 5th world as the Hopi elders promise us?



It may well be a most watery future we've in store for us then.

...as an aside Scott Wolter (the Freemasonic forensic geologist of "America Unearthed" fame) was just on Jimmy Church and strongly hinted that newly translated Masonic writings  have turned up regarding our antediluvian past and the Atlantean culture as he refers to it - not the focus on Atlantis as a single place.

I dunno, I suppose it's time to cue up "Waterworld" and enjoy a wet run "Mad Max" style.

So mote it be.



Or we take their "deal" - the promise of just what it contains as opaque as Pelosi's health care bill - "you'll have to pass it to know what's in it."

I think I may 'vote' for a watery certainty, grim as that may be. At least we have seen the script before, historically speaking.

What say YOU????

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Re: Whitley Strieber
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2020, 10:05:17 pm »
It sounds like a disjointed mess, the ramblings of a 4:55am C2C caller. If it showed up on a publishers doorstep without Whitleys name on it would it have gotten published?