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Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2020, 08:52:01 pm »
Most of my reversals are from David John Oates but I have successfully found some stunning reversals on my own.  I remastered all clips using Audacity in the following format.
1. I play a few seconds of forward speech so the listener has an idea of what is being discussed.  Context is important because many times the reversals are relevant to what is being said in forward
2. I isolate the exact forward phrase that contains the reversal
3. I play the reversal in regular speed followed by the reversal with the tempo decreased by 25% followed by the reversal with the tempo decreased by 45%

Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2020, 09:05:29 pm »
Without further ado

Satan, satan everywhere(?)

Metallica Am I evil?
https://vocaroo.com/cGOTOlyjd02

Bernie Sanders Hillary/Climate change/scientism
https://vocaroo.com/da46iwqQkhl

Bubba Clinton The Clinton foundation gives me pportunity
https://vocaroo.com/5BE9qqSQRHW

Hillary Competition is fierce
https://vocaroo.com/QBqEcw49WG0

Michael Vanderhooven Gabcasts are a slog
https://vocaroo.com/keMuRpU8EYG

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Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2020, 09:09:24 pm »
Oh, definitely both.  In the case of reverse speech the sounds are certainly suggestive, while our minds instantly offer up a meaning that is probably a highly individual blend of language training, context, and what is on our minds, both conscious and not, at the time of hearing.  Listening to reversed speech searching for meaning is deliberately exposing yourself to ambiguous stimuli, a modern practice made possible with recording technology but with ancient parallels in the visual realm (e. g. mirror-gazing/scrying) where real pareidolia was deliberately invoked.

An insightful parallel you make in mirror-gazing, and we're right back to Madame Blavatkslki and the Theosophists for a longer run context. I listened for a time to a very engaging and also somewhat egocentric radio "psychic" named Jeffrey Wands.

http://www.jeffreywands.com

As with scrying one can get what appears to be a large amount of seemingly quite significant and life relevant information from any number of perhaps cunning chartlatans and their tricks of the trade. Wands for a time was pitching use of the psychomanteum to get answers from "the other side".

https://psychiclibrary.com/psychomanteum/

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A psychomanteum is a small, dark chamber used to facilitate communication with a particular departed soul. Its origin stems from an ancient Greek ritual for contacting those in the spirit realm. At that time, individuals were led through an underground maze to a dimly lit place so they would be away from outside stimuli. In that area was a cauldron or bowl filled with water or oil. The person would gaze directly into the cauldron, look at and focus on his own reflection in the hope that the spirit would appear.
 
This was actually an early form of scrying, which is a type of divination used to predict the future by gazing into a crystal ball (crystallomancy), other shiny object or reflective surface. Reflective surfaces were believed to be a portal to the spirit world. Throughout ancient history, many cultures have used other methods, using herbs, plants, smoke or drumming, to induce an altered state of mind to achieve a higher consciousness in order to contact spirits for guidance, to answer questions, to heal and to connect with ancestors who had passed.
 
 
The earliest known term used for these chambers was psuchomanteia. In the 20th century, Raymond Moody, M.D., Ph.D., grief counselor, respected researcher in near-death experiences and author of Life after Life and other works, was inspired by the writings of Herodotus about the Oracle of the Dead and Homer in The Odyssey, in which they described these chambers. Moody believed that such a chamber would help individuals through the grieving process after the death of a loved one or friend. The time spent contacting and connecting with those in the spirit realm would help or create a powerful impact on emotional healing. Moody recreated a modern-day chamber and called it a psychomanteum. Currently, his work in the field continues, and he lectures, consults and researches on this topic, as well as others.

...and it's still a "thing...in this "modern world" which speaks to the cultural keel these kinds of device-based spirit tools maintain to this day.

But is this really the way we want to access the non-physical?



For me, no.

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Our ancestors found this sort of thing useful.  They were not idiots; they knew how mirrors worked and that the messages obtained contained a good portion of wishful thinking -- the most common mirror-gazing target you encounter is where a young woman is allowed to see the man she will marry -- but they deliberately sought them out for reasons that will escape Shreddie entirely.

Yes!

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You don't have to involve the supernatural at all to see that these messages contain real meaning.  Imagine exposing Shreddie and me to the same set of reverse-speech samples and asking us to interpret them.  As long as the bumps and groans are sufficiently ambiguous, our interpretations would be very different, containing some portion of our linguistic background and also some portion that springs directly from our subconscious, allowing the casual observer to conclude that Shreddie is a giant gasbag of egotistical chauvinism while I am a barely reformed juvenile delinquent since I will shoehorn everything into something puerile, usually involving poo.

By no means a 'half-baked' conclusion that is. 8)

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In other words, it is a self-administered Rorschach test which, if you called it a meditative practice, would be entirely uncontroversial but, with the deprecation of native western folk-derived culture in favor of exotic eastern imports that have everyone omming and balancing and wearing special pants, it is just smelly old embarrassing superstition to be wiped up with a bleach rag and flushed as quickly as possible, with a quick spritz of lavender.

Indeed so, but let's progress this further - let's move it to a global synopsis of the paranormal which increasingly I feel (based upon recent reading) is a series of rigors (some quite ancient) that may not always present us with data that will be remotely positive in our lives, and through which we may be shamelessly conned by dark forces.

When Whitley was able to call off the possession of his physical and perhaps non physical body by invoking Christian prayer it was less critical to me what particular faith he was raised in, any more than it would be relevant for me to parse the tribal lore and affiliations of the native Americans that Dr. Clarke interviewed for her examination of the interactions of the "Star People" with average folk on the reservations.

The key lesson is that in most instances calling to the divine for guidance and/or protection is an effective mechanism of pure faith. One need not stare into a cauldron, self-hypnotize with a candle, nor chase a planchette across the witchboard. In fact the abiding truth I feel in all of this is that we've a choice to make, a starkly binary one as well - good or evil. Period. Whitley can posit this "new world" he feels we're due to become part of, but it can't possibly all that new.

Now I'm sure Shreddi will pounce on that as evidence of my "first idea" thinking, and in a sense it is a journey back to an originating faith, one generally inculcated into us at an age of magical thinking where our young minds can be programmed to believe in whatever manner our parents and spiritual leaders think best for us.

But we've also the free will to test that programing, determine for ourselves its relative accuracy and power, and even abandon it to purely secular analysis if we so choose.

However coming home to Christ, Krishna, the Great Spirit, however one was set in non-local motion in this all too physical realm of choices and decisions carries with it a great warmth, familiarity, and propriety that no dark room and mirror can ever hope to successfully mimic.

Thanks to you then for your mention of Elijah's "still small voice" for it was precisely the right answer at the right juncture in my timeline and research.

https://www.gotquestions.org/still-small-voice.html

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old that Jezebel, the wife of Ahab, king of Israel, was seeking kill him, Elijah ran into the wilderness and collapsed in exhaustion. God sent an angel with food and water to strengthen him, told him to rest, and then sent him to Horeb. In a cave there, Elijah voices his complaint that all of God’s prophets had been killed by Jezebel and he alone had survived. God instructed him to stand on the mountain in His presence. Then the Lord sent a mighty wind which broke the rocks in pieces; then He sent an earthquake and a fire, but His voice was in none of them. After all that, the Lord spoke to Elijah in the still small voice, or “gentle whisper.”

The point of God speaking in the still small voice was to show Elijah that the work of God need not always be accompanied by dramatic revelation or manifestations. Divine silence does not necessarily mean divine inactivity. Zechariah 4:6 tells us that God’s work is “not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,” meaning that overt displays of power are not necessary for God to work.

Because He is God, He is not confined to a single manner of communicating with His people. Elsewhere in Scripture, He is said to communicate through a whirlwind (Job 38:1), to announce His presence by an earthquake (Exodus 19:18), and to speak in a voice that sounds like thunder (1 Samuel 2:10; Job 37:2; Psalm 104:7; John 12:29). In Psalm 77:18 His voice is compared to both thunder and a whirlwind. And in Revelation 4:5, we’re told that lightning and thunder proceed from the throne in heaven.

I shan't abandon my fascination with the paranormal nor exploration of it, not in the slightest, there's far too much we can't resolve scientifically for that to wither to incuriosity.

But as I mentioned in the Whitley thread, I'm very much not anxious to invite forces apart from the divine into my head or soul in order to test the premise of the Creator's authority.

Ok, end of treatise for this day. :)

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Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2020, 09:14:17 pm »
I am sure that, between Pud and Mrs. Pud, they keep a close eye on what is happening but have concluded (understandably, I'm afraid) that bellgab's current occupants have very little to say that is interesting.  But he could not resist the chance to paint Americans once again as gullible louts, which I suspect is the reason both of them signed up under the misapprehension that simply entertaining an idea is the next thing to marriage, when in fact it is the sign of a healthy and vigorous (I do not want to say "playful" since that is overused in academic circles, but that is what I mean) mind.

Note how he leapt at the good Father's bait like a big fat trout with a bit of sterile debunkery that might be encountered anywhere.  I, however, am a deep old file and suspect Padre has something up his long black sleeve -- I am tingling down to my toes in anticipation.

The good Padre is a thoughtful and searching soul, and the arc of this discussion and the moth to the candle reaction by Shreddi is confirmation.

Poor Pud, that one's off his oats I sense and incapable of reclaiming traction in Ballgrab.

In some ways he'd actually better served posting here, queer as that sounds...lol... :-\

Metron

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Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2020, 09:15:47 pm »
Most of my reversals are from David John Oates but I have successfully found some stunning reversals on my own.  I remastered all clips using Audacity in the following format.
1. I play a few seconds of forward speech so the listener has an idea of what is being discussed.  Context is important because many times the reversals are relevant to what is being said in forward
2. I isolate the exact forward phrase that contains the reversal
3. I play the reversal in regular speed followed by the reversal with the tempo decreased by 25% followed by the reversal with the tempo decreased by 45%

Wow, you almost made me want to dust off my old C. Crane "Versacorder" and try some analog sleuthing... :-X

Metron

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Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2020, 09:24:52 pm »
Without further ado

Satan, satan everywhere(?)

Metallica Am I evil?
https://vocaroo.com/cGOTOlyjd02

Bernie Sanders Hillary/Climate change/scientism
https://vocaroo.com/da46iwqQkhl

Bubba Clinton The Clinton foundation gives me pportunity
https://vocaroo.com/5BE9qqSQRHW

Hillary Competition is fierce
https://vocaroo.com/QBqEcw49WG0

Michael Vanderhooven Gabcasts are a slog
https://vocaroo.com/keMuRpU8EYG

Wow...wow...wow!  Padre these were exceptional, thank you for your time and effort.

I mean to conclude with MV's "ya'all Satanists" is indeed quite a "slog"! Talk about truth in advertising.  Makes me wonder how many in both forums have dark forces attached to and speaking through them.

Maybe reversals are a lot less Ouija and quite a bit more subliminal warning.

And when you think about it, why wouldn't the forces of good embed a coded warning in the words of our oppressors for those with ears to hear, right?

I'll tell you what, this thread and our discussions (including Shreddi's little tantrum) are precisely what was nutritively absent in both progenitor Gabs.

 :)

Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2020, 10:52:00 pm »
Without further ado

Satan, satan everywhere(?)

Michael Vanderhooven Gabcasts are a slog
https://vocaroo.com/keMuRpU8EYG

 :o Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned.  It has been far too long since my last confession.

Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2020, 10:54:59 pm »
Interesting that you attach a corrective meaning to them, if I read you right?

I did not forget this invitation.  I shall provide an example once I have performed my acts of contrition, if I have the nerve to write it up -- it will necessarily be lengthy, autobiographical, and distasteful to some.

Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2020, 11:04:21 pm »
Indeed so, but let's progress this further - let's move it to a global synopsis of the paranormal which increasingly I feel (based upon recent reading) is a series of rigors (some quite ancient) that may not always present us with data that will be remotely positive in our lives, and through which we may be shamelessly conned by dark forces.

This, too, once I have repented sufficiently.  I think we are in a similar place.  From a purely functional perspective -- which is by no means original to me -- religion evolved to constrain our inquiries within a frame of reference tirelessly reworked by past generations, with magnificent edifices erected and torn down, wars fought, and millions slaughtered not because it is meaningless but because it is important.

On the subject of voices, you are no doubt familiar with

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. -- John 10:27-28

Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2020, 01:56:33 am »

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Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2020, 02:32:53 am »
I did not forget this invitation.  I shall provide an example once I have performed my acts of contrition, if I have the nerve to write it up -- it will necessarily be lengthy, autobiographical, and distasteful to some.

Ooooh...distasteful eh...nothing a little Manuka honey can't sweeten up... ;D

Metron

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Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2020, 02:37:24 am »
This, too, once I have repented sufficiently.  I think we are in a similar place.  From a purely functional perspective -- which is by no means original to me -- religion evolved to constrain our inquiries within a frame of reference tirelessly reworked by past generations, with magnificent edifices erected and torn down, wars fought, and millions slaughtered not because it is meaningless but because it is important.

On the subject of voices, you are no doubt familiar with

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. -- John 10:27-28

Very much appropriate as we recognize the many ways He has spoken to us across the ages and the flabbergasting panoply of rigor, dogma, and physical abundance we've crafted and dedicated to this dialog. We earthly mortals are industrious if little else.

It's when we confuse our efforts with His that it all goes hinky. :-\

Metron

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Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2020, 02:38:52 am »
Heeheehee

https://vocaroo.com/8cqKFVjbmwS

Alrighty then, was that in Norwegian?

Or am I just not picking out the obvious subliminal? :o

Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2020, 02:46:53 am »
Alrighty then, was that in Norwegian?

Or am I just not picking out the obvious subliminal? :o

I was hoping for "absolutely nobody knew" which, concerning the etymology of "biscuit" I was discussing, probably isn't an unreasonable appraisal despite the regrettable tone of self-satisfaction betrayed in reverse which I would never own in forward.

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Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2020, 05:40:50 pm »
well there you go, like a sub-audible tone I just did not have my head calibrated to hear that, meaning the message was personal to you but I suspect opaque to the rest of us. Still, a fine effort and nothing to sniff at.

I'm cuing Richard Syrett's recent program on reversals up for my listening list:

https://www.talkzone.com/episodes/199/10500.html

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January 12, 2020   

Reverse Speech, U.S. And Iran Conflict & Open Lines 
 

The discoverer of Reverse Speech plays forwards and backwards speech of several of the main participants in the recent U.S. and Iran conflict.
GUEST: David John Oates is the founder and developer of Reverse Speech technologies. He was the first person to ever document speech reversals in human speech in 1983 and has worked extensively since then on research and development, as well as maintaining a therapeutic and consulting practice. He has had an active career spanning 24 years, furthering the field of Reverse Speech as his full time occupation. He has developed new theories, and designed therapeutic and training techniques. He is the co-host of Reverse Speech Radio.

Golly...timely given the noose cycle, innit?

 :o