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?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« on: January 20, 2020, 09:55:08 pm »
i used to think that reverse speech was a novelty or audio-dolia but after some investigation Im not so sure anymore

What do you think of reverse speech? Do you think theres something to it or is it just hearing what you want to hear? Id like some opinions before I present my findings

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Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2020, 10:00:26 pm »
i used to think that reverse speech was a novelty or audio-dolia but after some investigation Im not so sure anymore

What do you think of reverse speech? Do you think theres something to it or is it just hearing what you want to hear? Id like some opinions before I present my findings

Great question - since the first days of "Paul is dead" we've had the premise, which is not unlike the Mandela Effect - for those who see the patterns or discontinuities it certainly seems real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvoyoP4UUw0

I'm somewhat agnostic on both, but if timeline distortion and the multiverse are a thing, then why not reverse speech as well?

The real question is who or what is doing this?

I'll be interested to read your findings regardless....oh and cute thread title, very creative. Be just the place for pate to pop in and nautical shore it up.

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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2020, 11:11:17 pm »
Yes it is absolutely real in the sense that it can convey a message that has real meaning once it's interpreted.  Whether that interpretation arises from outside our subconscious (which, in my view, is always trying to make a sneaky end run around rational thought and tell us things it thinks is important) is a different question.

As a religious person, I am schooled to find meaning in just about anything --  Elijah's "still small voice" -- but (leaving the supernatural out of it just for the sake of argument) even if these "messages" are nothing more than products of my own mind, they still hit me like a glance in an unexpected mirror:  rarely flattering, usually telling me to mind my posture.

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Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2020, 12:27:28 am »
i used to think that reverse speech was a novelty or audio-dolia but after some investigation Im not so sure anymore

What do you think of reverse speech? Do you think theres something to it or is it just hearing what you want to hear? Id like some opinions before I present my findings

No, it's bollocks. It's just another example of pareidolia. People are wired to see patterns, whether they exist or not. There's a good reason for that, because it kept us alive whereas a false positive did little harm, but it means people instinctively get fooled if they aren't careful.

Also, Americans are fucking, uneducated pieces of shit who fall for anything.

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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2020, 01:26:18 am »
There is your typical soulless modern response.  We are persuaded that simply classifying a phenomenon under a header that's hard to spell not only answers "what?" but how and why.  Oh sure there is a facile reference to our time in the trees which is supposed to convince us that timorous little ape-men who saw tiger faces everywhere were more "fit" than those who only saw real ones and the girl apes all wanted to have babies with these shrinking violets.  The silly creatures can't comprehend that classification is itself pattern recognition, just as prone to false positives as it ever was, and here operating here at its crudest possible level like a kitchen junk drawer (I can not believe the number of things I have heard casually tossed in there uncritically) with nothing remotely sciencey about it.

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Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2020, 01:46:54 am »
There is your typical soulless modern response.  We are persuaded that simply classifying a phenomenon under a header that's hard to spell not only answers "what?" but how and why.  Oh sure there is a facile reference to our time in the trees which is supposed to convince us that timorous little ape-men who saw tiger faces everywhere were more "fit" than those who only saw real ones and the girl apes all wanted to have babies with these shrinking violets.  The silly creatures can't comprehend that classification is itself pattern recognition, operating here at its crudest possible level like a kitchen junk drawer with nothing remotely sciencey about it.

Look, I'm trying to help you not be stupid, but it seems you're happier playing your customary role of the credulous pipe-puffing plonker. Pattern recognition is a good servant but a very bad master when we can't sort out the wheat from the chaff. Your summary of Darwinian natural selection is as wrong-headed and egregious as expected. It's not about girl apes exercising a preference, it's about survival and mating with whoever happened to be alive. It's baked into people to take the first idea that comes into their thick skulls (Metron being a good example of this) and never letting go. It takes intelligence and education to overcome our natural inclinations, but most of you remain stuck as dungarees-wearing, baccy-chewing, malodorous pig-pukes.

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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2020, 01:51:03 am »
Go climb a tree, you poo-flinging simian.  The grownups are having a discussion here.

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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2020, 03:00:58 am »
Yes it is absolutely real in the sense that it can convey a message that has real meaning once it's interpreted.  Whether that interpretation arises from outside our subconscious (which, in my view, is always trying to make a sneaky end run around rational thought and tell us things it thinks is important) is a different question.

So you're thinking the interpretation we have is both non-local, but also directed by the subconscious? How about both? 

Wouldn't the Creator (or whatever)  need to activate the portion of our consciousness not engaged in the daily internal dialog to get such messages through?

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As a religious person, I am schooled to find meaning in just about anything --  Elijah's "still small voice" -- but (leaving the supernatural out of it just for the sake of argument) even if these "messages" are nothing more than products of my own mind, they still hit me like a glance in an unexpected mirror:  rarely flattering, usually telling me to mind my posture.

Interesting that you attach a corrective meaning to them, if I read you right?

Metron

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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2020, 03:05:43 am »
No, it's bollocks. It's just another example of pareidolia. People are wired to see patterns, whether they exist or not. There's a good reason for that, because it kept us alive whereas a false positive did little harm, but it means people instinctively get fooled if they aren't careful.

That premise is workable if a tad cynical.

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Also, Americans are fucking, uneducated pieces of shit who fall for anything.

I await your treatise on how Brits don't fall for anything paranormal, should be a real creative writing exercise... ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN4QLpODQ1Q&feature=related

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Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2020, 03:09:10 am »
It's baked into people to take the first idea that comes into their thick skulls (Metron being a good example of this) and never letting go.

Oh my, that sounds like you have some evidentiary trace of how many ideas come into my head on any given subject, as opposed to those I choose to share here.

It also presupposes you've the clairvoyance to measure the arc of "never" in the life of someone you only casually troll in a paranormal forum.

Shreddi dear, so much bluster, yet so little believability from you... :o

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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2020, 03:13:43 am »
Go climb a tree, you poo-flinging simian.  The grownups are having a discussion here.

He certainly returned in a foul mood, both here and over in Ballgrab where he's been teeing off on America with his usual gustatory non sequiturs.

Coincidence that Pud popped back at roughly the same time?

I know, a dash more provincial pareidolia from this side of the pond, anything to set his gills aflutter. ;)

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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2020, 08:03:24 pm »
So you're thinking the interpretation we have is both non-local, but also directed by the subconscious? How about both? 

Wouldn't the Creator (or whatever)  need to activate the portion of our consciousness not engaged in the daily internal dialog to get such messages through?

Interesting that you attach a corrective meaning to them, if I read you right?

Oh, definitely both.  In the case of reverse speech the sounds are certainly suggestive, while our minds instantly offer up a meaning that is probably a highly individual blend of language training, context, and what is on our minds, both conscious and not, at the time of hearing.  Listening to reversed speech searching for meaning is deliberately exposing yourself to ambiguous stimuli, a modern practice made possible with recording technology but with ancient parallels in the visual realm (e. g. mirror-gazing/scrying) where real pareidolia was deliberately invoked.

Our ancestors found this sort of thing useful.  They were not idiots; they knew how mirrors worked and that the messages obtained contained a good portion of wishful thinking -- the most common mirror-gazing target you encounter is where a young woman is allowed to see the man she will marry -- but they deliberately sought them out for reasons that will escape Shreddie entirely.

You don't have to involve the supernatural at all to see that these messages contain real meaning.  Imagine exposing Shreddie and me to the same set of reverse-speech samples and asking us to interpret them.  As long as the bumps and groans are sufficiently ambiguous, our interpretations would be very different, containing some portion of our linguistic background and also some portion that springs directly from our subconscious, allowing the casual observer to conclude that Shreddie is a giant gasbag of egotistical chauvinism while I am a barely reformed juvenile delinquent since I will shoehorn everything into something puerile, usually involving poo.

In other words, it is a self-administered Rorschach test which, if you called it a meditative practice, would be entirely uncontroversial but, with the deprecation of native western folk-derived culture in favor of exotic eastern imports that have everyone omming and balancing and wearing special pants, it is just smelly old embarrassing superstition to be wiped up with a bleach rag and flushed as quickly as possible, with a quick spritz of lavender.

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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2020, 08:17:35 pm »
He certainly returned in a foul mood, both here and over in Ballgrab where he's been teeing off on America with his usual gustatory non sequiturs.

Coincidence that Pud popped back at roughly the same time?

I know, a dash more provincial pareidolia from this side of the pond, anything to set his gills aflutter. ;)

I am sure that, between Pud and Mrs. Pud, they keep a close eye on what is happening but have concluded (understandably, I'm afraid) that bellgab's current occupants have very little to say that is interesting.  But he could not resist the chance to paint Americans once again as gullible louts, which I suspect is the reason both of them signed up under the misapprehension that simply entertaining an idea is the next thing to marriage, when in fact it is the sign of a healthy and vigorous (I do not want to say "playful" since that is overused in academic circles, but that is what I mean) mind.

Note how he leapt at the good Father's bait like a big fat trout with a bit of sterile debunkery that might be encountered anywhere.  I, however, am a deep old file and suspect Padre has something up his long black sleeve -- I am tingling down to my toes in anticipation.

Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2020, 08:39:17 pm »
AAAH I am too late!  For "bait" substitute "fly" for reasons that should be obvious.  Reel him in, Padre!

Re: ?Laer Hceeps Esrever Si
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2020, 08:50:41 pm »
Intrigued, agnostic, fierce skeptic. The full gamut. Good thing as I wouldnt want to be preaching to the choir

Fakery
Before I start I would like to show you how to verify the reversals presented or even do your own reversals
1 Download the reversal from Vocaroo by clicking on the download tab
2 Download and install Audacity Portable
3 Open Audacity and drag and drop the saved Vocaroo into the Audacity window
4 Choose Effect>Reverse. highlight the reversal and choose Effect>Change Tempo(drag the slider left to slow down)
Alternatively upload the Vocaroo or any mp3 to 3pm reverse MP3s online