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Title: Whitley Strieber
Post by: AZZERAE on September 02, 2019, 11:07:58 am
I'm a Whitley Strieber super fan. If you happen across any new interviews with him, or anything else really, please share it with me here.
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: AZZERAE on September 02, 2019, 12:31:05 pm
I'm listening to this while I work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiVQuy1ZNZQ
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: AZZERAE on September 02, 2019, 01:07:11 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiVQuy1ZNZQ

Holy crap! At the 24 minute mark, this dude is talking about pigs eating people in the woods! Terrifying.
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Father OJ on September 03, 2019, 08:45:36 pm
"If your average porker ever got the chance, he'd eat you and everyone you care about!" (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/vancouver-canada-robert-pickton-prostitutes-16841655)
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: AZZERAE on September 03, 2019, 09:28:33 pm
"If your average porker ever got the chance, he'd eat you and everyone you care about!" (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/vancouver-canada-robert-pickton-prostitutes-16841655)

Frightening. I remember a Necro track about that (Dead Body Disposal).
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on December 18, 2019, 06:20:36 pm
I'm 3 chapters in to his new book:

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Some observations, as mostly what he's done is revisit the terms and events of his 1986 New York city and upstate cabin visitations.

~ The physical effects that both he, his guests, and his neighbors saw completely confirm the visitors.

~ The visitations oft times occur with grays as well as deceased loved ones present as Anne discovered reading the Communion letters.

~ The visitors may well have been speeding up our technology from within the military and private sector to facilitate better communication/understanding.

~ Events surrounding TTSA confirm the very recent "quickening" of disclosure.

~ Whitley goes into far more depth on his family history with the military and even Roswell.

~ He claims he was given data on Roswell at the instruction of "someone(s)" in the system.

~ The central theme as evidenced also by Dr, Jeffrey Kripal's preface is that the visitors may have always been with us and seek a dialog with  but not domination of us.

~ That last part is referenced in terms of how European "visitors" overwhelmed the Incas and Aztecs.

~ Do we feel overwhelmed by SOMETHING yet?

~ That may be an almond-eyed Pizarro or Montezuma if history rhymes but doesn't repeat.

~ I'm interested and engaged by his retellings...more later...
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Father OJ on December 18, 2019, 09:24:37 pm
Does he ever address the greys-as-future-humans-time-travelling theory a la HG Wells Man of the year 1 million/Morlocks
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on December 18, 2019, 10:13:16 pm
Does he ever address the greys-as-future-humans-time-travelling theory a la HG Wells Man of the year 1 million/Morlocks

I haven't read anything like that yet, I'll post updates as I go.

He spends quite a bit of time on the "Kobolds" or small blue men. Apparently they are well know nto residents of Bavaria in Germany where there are many small mine shafts.

https://youtu.be/DNvR8SW3Dcs

...and...picking up on our founder's comments in Ballgrab - they also grabbed his junk in the middle of the night to remind him that he still has fear of them. He reported the feel of a claw-like hand, then when he struggled it left a scratch down the side of his leg as a reminder that he still has fear of them.

Subtle bunch, aren't they?

I mean you grab my junk and scratch me while I'm asleep and there will be some fear generated- how droll of them to offer such a blatantly disrespectful "lesson"...

All this because they seek to "communicate" with us. There was significant discussion of their means of perception being input based or fractal, versus how we are more output based and see solid objects, as opposed to the mathematical formula or atomic structure of them. The larger point was made that crop circles are fractals with embedded messages, nothing "earth-shaking" there, but it's still a darned good read.

Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on December 18, 2019, 10:40:11 pm
Continuing on an interesting theory as to who or what these miners/Kobolds may be...

They tend to appear in concert with the grays as "helpers", but Zeta Talk offers up a more complete thesis:

http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue690.htm

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Where the snake creatures had control of gravity, their slave labor force did not. The Trolls were 3rd density slaves, as were the Dwarfs of Tibet.ZetaTalk Insight 11/28/2015: Europe has been home to many aliens and the Annunaki in the past, including the large fat snake aliens,  highly Service-to-Self, who lifted large stones for the Annunaki, and the little trolls who lived in tunnels and were technologists.

ZetaTalk Insight 6/14/2014: One theory is a relationship to hominoid aliens from Sirius, dwarf sized, who lived in Tibet and have since died out, a dexterous life form, a servant. This was a type of short squat hominoid, which mankind interpreted to be dwarfs. A colony was established in Tibet, as they evolved on a planet with thin air. Not being native to the Earth, they have died out, but live in legend. These hominoids were allowed to be servants to the snake lords as all were in the Service-to-Self.

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Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on December 18, 2019, 11:05:22 pm
Whitley also talks about his time as a young child when he was put in a military psychological program which involved he and other children being "tested" in a Skinner box...

For those who like context today, lol...

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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cteE-Gbipfs/TzbWa8i79_I/AAAAAAAAF5Y/7wDb4QUl6TE/s1600/pigeonbfskinner.gif)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOgowRy2WC0

A human-sized version for the gubmint to "play" with, no wonder he had some issues growing up...

https://io9.gizmodo.com/did-b-f-skinner-really-put-babies-into-boxes-5946822

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And meanwhile, Skinner also invented the "air crib," which he tested on his daughter Deborah, and which also came to be referred to as a "Skinner Box." As Marc N. Richelle explains in his book B.F. Skinner: A Reappraisal:In 1943, the Skinners decided to have a second child. After his wife had remarked that she somewhat dreaded the constraints of the first year, Skinner decided to do something to alleviate the burden. He analysed the ways babies were cared for and considered possible simplifications, while improving comfort, social interchange and the mother's satisfaction. The solution was the aircrib, or "baby-tender" as he called it. This was a spacious compartment, mounted on a wheeled table, with a large glass window, temperature and air control, in which the baby could stay naked and comfortable, kept in the presence of the mother wherever she was working in the house. A strip of sheeting covered over a canvas, which served as a mattress; this could be moved to a clean section as needed by simple cranking. The baby, rather than suffering from excessive cover or from being wet, or simply from being awake and alone, could move freely, in an optimally stable atmosphere, and in permanent visual contact with the mother at times when the latter was busy and would not be able to pick the baby up....

A few parents adopted the device for their own child, but it never became really popular. It had a period of renewed success — a moderate one, since only a few hundred units were sold — between 1957 and 1967 when they were produced by a small company. Occasionally, a former "box-raised baby" would be in a Skinner audience and would come up to him with a happy smile at the end of the lecture.

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Skinner wrote about his invention for the Ladies Home Journal's October 1945 edition, and his article was given the unfortunate title "Baby in a Box." (You can read his article in its entirety here.) He describes the temperature-controlled box in which the naked baby sits, and then adds that the box does include some sort of training:

A wider range and variety of behavior are also encouraged by the freedom from clothing. For example, our baby acquitted an amusing, almost apelike skill in the use of her feet. We have devised a number of toys, which are occasionally suspended from the ceiling of the compartment. She often plays with these with her feet alone and with her hands and feet in close cooperation.

One toy is a ring suspended from a modified music box. A note can be played by pulling the ring downward, and a series of rapid jerks will produce Three Blind Mice. At seven months our baby would grasp the ring in her toes, stretch out her leg and play the tune with a rhythmic movement of her foot.

We are not especially interested in developing skills of this sort, but they are valuable for the baby because they arouse and hold her interest. Many babies seem to cry from sheer boredom-their behavior is restrained and they have nothing else to do. In our compartment, the waking hours are invariably active and happy ones.

In his October 1945 article, Skinner also responds to the critics who say that in his box, the baby "would be socially starved and robbed of the affection and mother love, which she needs." He retorts:

This has simply not been true. The compartment does not ostracize the baby. The large window is no more of a social barrier than the bars of a crib. The baby follows what is going on in the room, smiles at passers-by, plays "peek-a- boo" games, and obviously delights in company. And she is handled, talked to, and played with whenever she is changed or fed, and each afternoon during a play period, which is becoming longer as she grows older. The fact is that a baby will probably get more love and affection when it is easily cared for.

You can decide for yourself whether this set-up would be good for a baby — as compared, say, with the current vogue for "baby bjorn" style papooses and things. It definitely feels very 1950s and possibly a bit too sterile and mechanistic — even if it's not true that the babies were being trained or experimented on in the same way that Skinner's rats were.

In any case, rumors spread like wildfire that Skinner had kept his daughter in a box and done experiments on her, and that she'd turned psychotic as a result. Or even, that she'd committed suicide. In his 1983 autobiography, Skinner complains about a whisper campaign, which he feels "fostered by clinical psychologists who found it useful in criticizing behavior therapy." His healthy, happy daughter was constantly surprised to hear that she was dead or insane. And Skinner reports that his phone rang just as he was falling asleep, with a young man's voice asking him, "Professor Skinner, is it true you kept your daughter in a cage?"

In fact, Deborah is fine — she lives in London, where she's an artist. And by all accounts, she and her father got along well until his death in 1990.

Beyond Freedom and Dignity

So what's going on here? Skinner was a polarizing figure, and people seized on the "baby in a box" thing as an easy way of discrediting him, in a nutshell.


As Lauren Slater documents in her book Opening Skinner's Box, Skinner's actual research illuminated something basic about behavior: that we respond better to variable reinforcement than to regular rewards. If we only get the reward every once in a while, we will continue to exhibit the behavior that leads to the reward for way longer, and we'll be way more addicted to it. Skinner also seemed to show that all sorts of behaviors — not just involuntary ones like salivating, like Pavlov's dogs — could be triggered in response to rewards or stimuli.

In other words, Skinner showed that creatures (possibly including people) are not separable from environments. We behave in certain ways in response to the rewards we receive, and — as anybody who's ever has a compulsive behavior like playing a game all night will attest — we're capable of behaviors that we don't entirely control. This, in itself, is a threat to many of us who want to believe that humans are ultimately masters of our destiny rather than products of our circumstances.


But then Skinner went further, in a couple of ways. First, the "air crib" was just one of the ways that he publicly advocated for a more scientific approach to life. When that same daughter, Deborah, went to school, Skinner decided that old-fashioned education methods were too inefficient — children who gave the right answer weren't rewarded fast enough to reinforce the lesson. So he came up with a plan for "programmed instruction," where flesh-and-blood teachers could be supplemented by, in essence, teaching machines.

As Alexandra Rutherford explains in Beyond the Box: B.F. Skinner's Technology of Behavior from Laboratory to Life, 1950s-1970s:

Programmed instruction was an approach in which students were exposed to course material in small incremental steps via frames presented in a box-like apparatus. They were required to generate a response to a question about the material, and could then immediately compare their response to the right answer. The presentation of the material was finely tuned to ensure very few mistakes, on the principal that getting the right answer — right away — was maximally reinforcing.

In other words, the kids would be steered to the right answer about the material they'd just read, and then would be "rewarded" by realizing they'd gotten it right, thus encouraging them to keep getting right answers. Some people worried that by trying to shape students' answers and reward them for responding the right way, Skinner's devices would encourage conformity and discourage independent thought.


But Skinner didn't just advocate for more "scientific" methods of child-rearing — he also wrote some far-reaching works of philosophy that argued for a utopian vision of a world controlled by behavioral scientists rather than politicians. He wrote a number of books, notably Walden Two and Beyond Freedom and Dignity, which argued that to solve problems like pollution, overpopulation and the threat of nuclear war, we need to adjust human behavior.

It's like one half Asimov's psychohistory, one half benign totalitarianism. Here's Skinner, from Beyond Freedom and Dignity:


What we need is a technology of behavior. We could solve our problems quickly enough if we could adjust the growth of the world's population as precisely as we adjust the course of a spaceship, or improve agriculture and industry with some of the confidence with which we accelerate high-energy particles, or move toward a peaceful world with something like the steady progress with which physics has approached absolute zero (although both remain presumably out of reach.) But a behavioral technology comparable in power and precision to physical and biological technology is lacking, and those who do not find the very possibility ridiculous are more likely to be frightened than reassured. This is how far we are from "understanding human issues" in the sense in which physics and biology understand their fields, and how far we are from preventing the catastrophe toward which the world seems to be inexorably moving.

There's something irreducibly Space Age about Skinner and his preoccupation with finding scientific ways to run everything. He contributed more than most people realize to our understanding of behavior — and his focus on rewards rather than punishments as a means of shaping behavior was actually quite benign. Some people are even trying to bring back the "Air Crib" for their babies nowadays, in fact. But still, you can kind of see why some of Skinner's ideas creeped people out.

Sources:
Beyond the Box: B.F. Skinner's Technology of Behavior from Laboratory to Life, 1950s-1970s by Alexandra Rutherford
B.F. Skinner: A Reappraisal by Marc N. Richelle
Opening Skinner's Box: Great Psychological Experiments Of The Twentieth Century by Lauren Slater
"The Ultimate Challenge: Prove B. F. Skinner Wrong" by Paul Chance, Behav Anal. 2007 Fall; 30(2): 153–160.
The Psychology of B F Skinner by Kyle E. Ferguson and William O'Donohue

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Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on December 18, 2019, 11:07:29 pm
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Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Father OJ on December 19, 2019, 01:00:40 am
The Kobolds were used to mine kobold/cobalt for Li-ion batteries for all their cool tech toys. History is fractal (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-google-microsoft-tesla-dell-sued-over-cobalt-mining-children-in-congo-for-batteries-2019-12-17/)
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on December 19, 2019, 02:09:28 am
 ;)

You have a droll sense of humour Padre, they're just not blue enough you see! ::)

Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on December 20, 2019, 06:18:36 pm
Found and entirely relevant to "A New World":

https://theunexplained.tv/episodes/edition-420-whitley-strieber

The return of world-famous author/contactee/visionary Whitley Strieber on his latest book "A New World" and his after-death contact with his life-partner Anne...

And in a marvelous turn fo the tables, Whitley is interviewed on his own program!

https://www.unknowncountry.com/dreamland/jeremy-vaeni-goes-after-whitley-on-a-new-world/

Jeremy Vaeni returns to Unknowncountry, this time hosting Dreamland in order to discuss A New World with Whitley. And what a discussion it is! Jeremy brings his deep knowledge to what turns out to be one of the most powerful discussions either host has ever participated in. With all his years of experience as a close encounter witness and researcher, Jeremy knows the questions to ask that others don’t, with the result that this is among the most exciting and penetrating interviews we’ve ever posted on this site.

You may think that you’ve already heard everything Whitley has to say about A New World, but he hasn’t had to deal with too many questions this deep and this frank. Tremendously exciting stuff, and a real window into the meaning of the visitors and what conscious contact is likely to entail.

This show is presented without commercials and is fully available to all listeners.


 :)




Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on December 20, 2019, 06:53:34 pm
Observations from chapters 4-6...

Whitley addresses his implant mystery, how he's come to terms with it and provides some fascinating granularity we'd lacked before. The key theme is Anne's insistence that it is a "gift", perhaps confirmed by his revelation that the implant opened a slit of vision next to his rught eye where he sees words racing by, as if on a giagantic screen dump or massive "crawl":

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But he insists the words have enhanced and guided hos writing and research, even more since his wife "passed over"...

Of course we learn his implant was meteoric and we revisit how it jumped and moved when a surgeon unsuccessfully put scalpel to it. There's a creepy incident at 3 AM with MIBs at his apartment in San Antonio where he recognizes on of them as a special child he's seen in a DOD "gifted" program back in the 90s. The two men explain the repositioning of his implant and query if he plans to remove it, then disappear after he says "no".

A trip to the Lakota Indian Reservation at Pine ridge follows where Whitley is able to see, through closed eyes, an alternate gauzy reality that he compares to Homer's "Asphodel" or land of the dead - an alternate or parallel reality perhaps. He jumps to a teleportation incident that Jaques Valee observed involving  him at Contact. Back at Pine Ridge and there's a UFO incident that all present confirm. The back and forth is odd in this section, but there's an incident when a Lakota standing next to Whitley informs him that in his presence he can see graves and bones of his ancestors under the soil. The theme is that the visitors perhaps come from or travel through this alternate gauzy reality.

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Whitley returns to his cabin in 1986 for an episode of "who let the dogs in" -said dogs being the grays.

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They run around his cabin and under his bed and there ensues a reverie about possible parallel lives he and Anne may be living. He returns to an incident described in "Communion" when he was driving his son's childhood friend home in New Jersey and they became entangled in an alternate or Twilight Zone universe so real the boy tried to leap from the car and upon returing to his ral home tells his father of the incident, Whitley wryly noting that the late Rod Serling coincidentally lives only a few miles way.

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Chapter 6 was perhaps his least cohesive, but he made his case that stacked universes or dimensions are entirely plausible and, at least in his life, easily experienced.

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Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Father OJ on December 20, 2019, 10:21:31 pm
FBI Memorandum 6751, go to Page 22 of 69 (https://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO%20Part%201%20of%2016/view)

"...They do NOT come from a planet as we use the word, but from an etheric planet which interpenetrates with our own and is not perceptible to us. The bodies of the visitors, and the craft, automatically materialize on entering the vibratory rate of our dense matter. The disks possess a type of radiant energy or a ray, which will easily disintegrate any attacking ship. They reenter the etheric at will, and so simply disappear from our vision, without a trace. The region from which they come is not the “astral plane”, but corresponds to the Lokas or Talas. Students of esoteric matters will understand these terms. They probably cannot be reached by radio, but probably can be by radar. if a signal system can be devised for that apparatus. We give information and warning and can do no more. Let the newcomers be treated with every kindness. Unless the disks are with-(illegible) a (illegible, illegible) with which our culture and science are incapable of dealing. A heavy responsibility rests upon the few in authority who are able to understand this matter.

Addendum: The Lokas are oval-shaped, fluted length, oval with a heat-resisting metal or alloy not yet known, the front cage contains the controls, the middle portion a laboratory; the rear contains armament, which consists essentially of a powerful energy apparatus, perhaps a ray."

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Of course we learn his implant was meteoric and we revisit how it jumped and moved when a surgeon unsuccessfully put scalpel to it.
The moving implant/meteor composition sounds pretty much the same as Dr Roger Leirs accounts. Corroboration or plagiarism?
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on December 22, 2019, 07:24:53 pm
FBI Memorandum 6751, go to Page 22 of 69 (https://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO%20Part%201%20of%2016/view)

"...They do NOT come from a planet as we use the word, but from an etheric planet which interpenetrates with our own and is not perceptible to us. The bodies of the visitors, and the craft, automatically materialize on entering the vibratory rate of our dense matter. The disks possess a type of radiant energy or a ray, which will easily disintegrate any attacking ship. They reenter the etheric at will, and so simply disappear from our vision, without a trace. The region from which they come is not the “astral plane”, but corresponds to the Lokas or Talas. Students of esoteric matters will understand these terms. They probably cannot be reached by radio, but probably can be by radar. if a signal system can be devised for that apparatus. We give information and warning and can do no more. Let the newcomers be treated with every kindness. Unless the disks are with-(illegible) a (illegible, illegible) with which our culture and science are incapable of dealing. A heavy responsibility rests upon the few in authority who are able to understand this matter.

Addendum: The Lokas are oval-shaped, fluted length, oval with a heat-resisting metal or alloy not yet known, the front cage contains the controls, the middle portion a laboratory; the rear contains armament, which consists essentially of a powerful energy apparatus, perhaps a ray."

This is one of the most pertinent citations presented yet, thanks Padre!

Amazing to think that way back in '47 they had this much of it sussed and on report.

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The moving implant/meteor composition sounds pretty much the same as Dr Roger Leirs accounts. Corroboration or plagiarism?

I think I'll take the word of the surgeon Dr. Lerma (not Dr, Lier)  and Anne who video'd the operation as well as the tech who was baffled that the implant fragment they managed to scrape off in surgery, while meteoric in composition also demonstrated the presence of growing cilia!

Pretty amazing biological unlikelihood.




Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on December 22, 2019, 07:26:20 pm
Does he ever address the greys-as-future-humans-time-travelling theory a la HG Wells Man of the year 1 million/Morlocks
Yes but that's way ahead of my chapter by chapter review, still it is mentioned that the Kobolds told one frightened woman who found them hideous that they were "her in the future".

That's near the ned of the book! 8)
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Father OJ on December 23, 2019, 12:17:05 am
Well there was that strange incident where that Israeli moon probe bukkaked tardigrades all over the moon
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on December 23, 2019, 05:49:46 pm
Well there was that strange incident where that Israeli moon probe bukkaked tardigrades all over the moon

https://youtu.be/KCzDMuph8A4

Terraforming by "accident"?

Tartigrades and human DNA samples, wtf could go "wrong" there... :-\

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Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on December 28, 2019, 08:20:08 pm
Chapter 7 finds Whitley alone after Anne's passing and awakening in bed to his nipple being tweaked! The Asphodel riff continues as he contemplates a mirror universe alongside our own. His meditations, apparently told now in retrospect, are interrupted by the visitors to the point he calls them out to appear in human form, and one does, at the foot of his bed.  He takes the man's hand, smells him, and pronounces him to be "ripe", as in not well washed. But the hand has solidity to it which is a new wrinkle. He returns to his present day meditations which are marked by interruptions such as being blown on and kissed - plainly Anne is involved. Fast forward to a stay with Dr. Jeff Kripal in the same room at the Esalen Institute in which Whitley is visited again. Kripal sleeps through it but experiences something akin to his world crashing in on him. More instances off the human fear reaction to the visitors follow including a man who looked into the eyes of one and was cursed to spend the rest of his days in a state of permanent deja vu.

Chapter 8 finds the narrative back in his cabin in the late 80s. Guests are experiencing the visitors, but in a way that makes the sound of rain on the roof, not the footsteps Whitley hears. Raven Dana plays heavily in the reconstruction apparently meeting her brother, dead for 20 years, standing in the woods in a robe. Back in the cabin asleep she has a physical contact with one of the visitors but first reports seeing the "eye of Horus" on the wall - a symbol of the Egyptian mystery schools. Another guest sees the visitors and one's head morphs into that of a falcon, again mystery school symbology factors. Then another visitor is seen turning into the bird of paradise - the hieroglyphic nature of their communication is emphasized in that we can not talk directly to them. The falcon glyph coincides with Horus and the star Sirius, the so-called dog star. Whitley also ties the "9 knocks" he hears when they come to him as akin to the 33rd degree initiation ritual in Masonry.

It's at this point that the book almost becomes a riff on a series of historic icons, drawing us back to the ubiquity of the visitors through human pre-history.

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Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Father OJ on December 30, 2019, 12:07:59 am
Esalen Institute
Sometimes I wonder if Whitley isnt just a giant guinea pig. Didnt he say he had some sort of childhood trauma? Wasnt he from a military family?
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 08, 2020, 10:12:59 pm
Sometimes I wonder if Whitley isnt just a giant guinea pig. Didnt he say he had some sort of childhood trauma? Wasnt he from a military family?

I have the same thought - that his experiences bear far too many commonalities to CIA mind control programs of the 1960s.

He did have childhood trauma - being placed in that program where the kids went in the Skinner box had to be a skull fuck.

And indeed he is from a military family - military intel too.

Suffice too say my estimation of the grays is far less positive than his, but that's a subject to expand upon my next book review, which I promise will be a dilly!

Now back to "A New World" - Cliff's Notes version... ::)
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 08, 2020, 10:34:05 pm
In chapter 9 Whitley delves into the apparent psychic vampirism of the visitors, whose lives he describes as an "eternal present" one in which they're devoid of wonder, beauty and excitement except for...what they can suck out of US -  Mr. Waternoose indeed!

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He as much as consigns us to being an unwilling if not unwitting "loosh factory"! So for this we're supposed to "join together" and provide the excitement for THEM??? And this partnership is based upon what, our giving THEM ecstasy? How one-sided is that? And of course he confirms that they live along side us already, so good luck opting out on the loosh donations, oh well...

And should we abandon ourselves entirely, they get all of us, or what we use to be. That part is troublesome, like squatters'  rights on the soul. He recounts how they pushed him hard to get this book out and that his fear of them has diminished over the years, if not that of his cats. So this symbiotic relationship may not be as wholesome as he thinks, that or his cats are simply a quaint annoyance when the nine knocks come in the night.  Discussion of the spine and our 3 bodies follows - the ka, ba, and ash...the latter surviving physical death.But he cites Anne's observation that the evil do not survive death, rather they disappear - a hopeful thought!

Out of body experiences however are something that allows them to taste our energy, again very one-sided.  And he's fine with our spines light energy being attacked in the night and our role in a predator/prey experience, hardly the kind of thing to convince the average reader of the visitors' benevolence.  And when faced with reprimands over his own "arrogance" Whitley has his bank accounts messed with, not such a benevolent lesson at all.

At the end of all this the visitors come of as petulant harvesters, justifying taking all our energies, attachments, and earthly things from us not as punishment, oh no...but rather to free us and our souls. For what? Well then, there's a chapter for another day!

 ;D





Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 10, 2020, 06:57:47 pm
The much awaited (it was...right???) chapter 10:

Whitley credits Bud Hopkins and 1960 as the date for the first "forced abductions" by the visitors. Hopkins recommends hypnosis and Whitley and a Dr. Klein engage in 2 sessions leading to the material in "Communion". In the first session a Kobold looks in, sending Whitley into screaming terror - and no wonder given he was in a "safe space" at the time. Mention of the FREE organization and their work into correlating the terror of the first experience with the visitors into life long perceptual journey with 5,000 sample sets to track the progress of the visitations and the visited's reactions to them is highlighted.

Again the discussion of past life experiences and near death return to the milieu, the premise being that our consciousness is being "expanded" - certainly Whitley's celestial family was as his semen was harvested and he and Anne were shown a baby - likely a hybrid of his own seed. I may have to go back in the earlier books to cross-reference that as I do not recall mention of it, though it has been some years since I first read the series.

Whitley riffs off on our many human inconsistencies, seemingly to absolve the visitors of how they torture and relate to us - a pattern is emerging. His horror and abuse are somehow a "good thing" in some larger evolutionary sense. Stockholm syndrome perhaps writ with rose colored hindsight lenses. The cattle mutilations are not far from what we do for "science", so we ought to get over it. Uh huh. So their spinal column removal is just a way for the visitors to get to the light in us physical beings, to "access" our energetic body. Wow. Just freaking wow.

The cat mutilations of the Pacific Northwest are cited, then back to the San Antonio apartment for a redux of the small smoking alien squatters. They manage to loot a convenience store of tobacco products in broad daylight with no one the wiser save for Whitley. Mention of street people being mutilated ritually follow, spines removed of course...found on roof tops. Whitley finally relents that stealing our soul by spine removal is indeed a crime - ya think?  So he confesses we may all be under threat - do tell! But it's allegedly all about how we lose our fear of them - rather a dicey move when one's spine is being yanked out. But he thinks they react better to our trying to quell of inner fears.

Why am I put in the mind of:

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(https://horrorpediadotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/the-tingler-vincent-price-is-attacked.jpg)

And was this early B&W sci-fi flic warning us of the etheric nature of the spinal column and the fear attendant in its release from the body physical?

For all the excuses Whitley makes for the fact we're being mutilated, horrified, hybridized, and outright slaughtered, he at least questions if it's  abad thing. A start, albeit a late one.

More to follow - here in the anechoic chamber of visitor-reflection silence.

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Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 11, 2020, 07:29:51 pm
Before I move on to Chapter 11, there's a "spoiler alert" to share:

https://www.unknowncountry.com/dreamland/linda-moulton-howe-and-whitley-strieber-discuss-their-expectations-for-2020-with-some-surprises/

Linda Moulton Howe returns to Dreamland to discuss what Col. Philip Corso’s immortal phrase “a new world if you can take it” means to her and what it is going to mean in 2020 and beyond. Will 2020 be “the year” that the world faces the reality that there is somebody here whose nature we do not know and whose presence and motives we do not know.

Linda took over a hundred notes while reading A New World, and she goes through them in this fascinating show, exploring the information in A New World as only Linda Moulton Howe can, ranging over her lifetime of experience and research. The discussion of “resurrection technology” as it appears in Glimpses of Other Realities is stunning–and, for that matter, so is the entire interview! You will never forget, among other things, the story Linda tells of a witness who saw herself die, then return in a new version of her body and ask the agonizing question, “who am I?”

At one point, Linda says, “We have a brand new universe that’s coming. It isn’t just the headline ‘we are not alone,’ it is an entirely new relationship with the fundamental fabric of reality.”


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When I heard Whitley’s analysis of the 3 metallic screeching noises in this recording, I found myself nodding in agreement… it is in large part those associated with Earth, whose physical lives were completed, who support the new scientific and spiritual questions we explore at the dawn of a new decade, in January 2020.
When you discuss the transition from beryllium-7 to lithium-7, I was surprised because beryllium, which is almost never found in concentration on Earth, is an extreme poison.
INDY  JANUARY 10, 2020

This truly is a must listen interview.

 :)
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 14, 2020, 12:03:34 am
Chapter 11 -

Begins with some name-dropping of contactee scientists, none of who I was familiar with, then transitions into the story of the bi-location of a Frecn nun in the 1600s to what would later become the state of New Mexico and her ministering to the "Jumanos", a literal physical impossibility - ergo the "bi-location" thesis. Streiber refers to a "donation site" close by where a UFO crashed as significant.He cautions that the natives were being brutally oppressed, if not outright exterminated by the Spaniards at the time and draws a somewhat tenuous parallel to modern"contact", in that we must be cautious interacting with our ET "Spaniards" if you will. Indeed. And I concur the ethics of ET may be no less brutal than those of the Spaniards.

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We need to be reticent to deify these aliens and to accept any premise they offer that we have no soul. This is a critical test interaction.

As an aside, and for those unfamiliar with the brutality of the Conquistadores, the story of Juan de Onate and the removal of the natives' feet is a harsh lesson to reconnect with:

https://unseennewmexico.org/2018/06/03/spanish-white-power-movements-are-on-the-rise-but-we-hav-eour-own-version-right-here-in-new-mexico/

So…why would anyone be opposed to celebrating Juan de Oñate, you might ask?

For starters, he was a career criminal who was tried and convicted of rape, murder, and theft – crimes for which he was exiled from the state of New Mexico for life. In fact, Oñate was such a shitty leader that 2/3 of the Spanish colonists he led to New Mexico deserted his settlement and fled. Perhaps most importantly, he is best known for having ordered the enslavement of Acoma women and children, and ordering that all Acoma men over the age of 25 have one of their feet chopped off.

Seriously. This is the murderous clown that a small group of New Mexican hispanos is rushing to defend.

The hispanos view their veneration of Juan de Oñate as a matter of European birthright, and perceive any criticism of Oñate and the parade held in his honor as an assault on their culture. And therein lies the problem: by framing Oñate as the embodiment of their culture, Oñate supporters have painted themselves into an ideological corner, creating an intractable situation in which even the slightest compromise would be seen as complete cultural surrender. In their minds, admitting that Oñate was a piece of shit is tantamount to admitting that their culture is also shit.

This fear of somehow betraying their heritage prevents them from ever doing the right thing in this situation, which would be to commemorate history without glorifying a murdering rapist. But perhaps creating such an immovable position was the plan all along.


(this is a political article, but Onate's unimaginable brutality bears condemnation, and perhaps the visitor's spinal removals and organ thefts are analogous, no?)



But the promise of non-physical travel intrigues him, as well it ought to. I'd hoped for some Monroe Institute discussion here, alas no, the Noetic Institute would have to suffice and an OOBE he had with Jeff Kripal is recounted. Yet Whitley can't reach Kripal, instead conversing on the etheric level with a man in another room who then veers his study toward religion, fascinating.

By 2017 Whitley is insistent the visitors emerge...and they test him...herein is the leg scratch tale, a creepy one for sure. 

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Some fairly weak rationalizing on the duality of human nature and possibly that of the visitors follows, but it's cold comfort to know they could have their own Hitler, reptilian or otherwise. We truly are in as subordinate a position as the Jumanos were with the Spaniards.

There's a lot of high-minded sentiment expressed that we are somehow needing to (as I read it) conquer our fears to make contact work, as opposed to these lofty visitors with all the technology doing their part to assuage our fears. And I can't recall Linda in her latest interview calling them to task either. Why are WE ( the subordinates in all this) somehow charged with making things easier on the visitors?

I'm having some misgivings here, but there is more to come... :o


Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 14, 2020, 08:47:48 pm
Chapter 12 -

Whitley ponders that by trying to establish a physical proof of and contact with the visitors it is WE who are making a mistake...yet somehow faires , glyphs, etc. are their effort to enter our concrete universe from a parallel one to "save it"???

Sure they've been here as long as we have, sure we see them now more as aliens then in past epochs as "demons"...but (my concern) what if there is no functional difference?

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Whitley then allows as to how his experiences might not have been "real"...perhaps also his entry to the "city of truth" - a fortress of endless blinding white light too?  Some rather swollen rhetoric on the parallel universes and such ensues leading to Shrodinger's Cat, oh wotta surprise!

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So we're all a product of wave function, neither real not unreal, a world of mirrors...and so on. He finally quizzes his implant for clarity and out pop:

Wolfgang Pauli, Carl Jung, th Gettier paradox, it gets more convoluted at each invocation, imho.  So we're back to output vs. input thinking, fine... a long way 'round to get there. No fixed reality, the brain as a detector, it has become circular - this firing squad of the real and non-real he lines up for us and then demands simultaneous fealty to both. Back and forth he seesaws between the visitors being real, our inability to prove it, the universe is frankly a hologram of sorts, just an endless dog chasing its metaphysical tail. By this stage of the book I'm becoming a bit peeved at the retreat to existential angst over what is or is not reality!  Fuck all - does it matter? It is what it is! For Crissakes!

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He concludes:

"Live the question, and you are living in the new world."

I dunno Whit...maybe we're trapped irrevocably in the OLD WORLD!

No, he doesn't bother to address that at all.

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Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 15, 2020, 11:12:42 pm
Chapter 13 - It Is Time

...tyo start by enumerating the "visitors" as several or more species including:

~ The Kobolds
~ The Nordics (tall blonds)
~ The small primates (mistaken for dogs)
~ The Grays (goblin-like)
~ The human-like ones who read minds...

All of whom Anne warned Whitley not to try and link up before he could connect the dots. Apparently they don't see our wars as anything more than a reaction to overcrowding. I'm sure any Caliphonyan worth their zero clearance multi-million$ bungalow might concur, before moving out to Boise to elect a new bunch of feckless DemoTards and then wonder what happened to the "quality of life" they moved there for...but I digress...although not that much given Whitley abandoned San Antonio for Santa Monica, huh...hardly the move of a poverty stricken writer who posts Gofundme's to pay for his website reboot, eh?

So then we get some climate change doggerel from a man who ought to know better, sigh...why don't the berloody "visitors" clean the ant farm out again then if it's become too effing  messy? Oh...maybe that is just what they have planned for us!

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Then Whitley complains he has no publisher for his book, but again, we know THAT is not true as here IT is! 

A quick zig zag to stating we may not be humans at all, we may be aliens in human form! A bizarre tale of a cardboard jet liner "prop" of sorts crashing on a NY highway in mid day and aliens who cautioned the witness to "get out" ensues - how this folds in now I can't say, but it dovetails into a visitation a friend of their snamed Lorie had when pregnant and the Kobolds expressed interest in the baby girl she was carrying. She blurts out to them how ugly they are and they reply that she'll "look just like us" one day. A depressing thought for sure!

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No less so than a friend who died in surgery, appeared to Whitley in the waiting room and then was apparently whisked away by the Kobolds and placed into the body of a newborn in India, causing the poor chap to scream out in fear! Ya think? I know I would...

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Fast forward to June of 2019 and the visitors get "in" to Whitley and download an unfamiliar schematic of some sort. He gets a bit freaked out and invokes prayer to keep the little bugger sout of him without his express permission. This leads to a visitation from a Euclidian object of 2 intersecting black disks, the vesica piscis - both a Christian AND a Masonic symbol...how convenient!

(http://www.karmicecology.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/vesica-piscis.jpg)

So the vesica falls on his feet and he fears it will envelop and then enter him - but it's replaced by man pointing a silver toy gun at him, all apparently meaning to him their desire for greater contact (plus a threat) - a trending theme of this book as its title foreshadowed, but the gun he feels is their veiled threat to him personally, Ok then...

Whitley then tries out a sleep recorder app and finds it captures some of his words but also a sigh he thinks sounds feminine. The visitor's name he calls out is "Mature" - a version of "Master". I expected a "Master of the Key" reference from his Toronto hotel experience back in the 70s, but that thread wasn't continued, odd...by October the short man who haunted them in upstate New York and again with the smokes and squatters in San Antonio is back for another try. But he no longer smokes, is childlike,  and he has a pretty woman with him. She tells Whitley she has known him "since (he) was born". Now he loses his fears and sees "Communion" as being like death, of all things!

The questions we ask are answered in their demonstrations and life events and of course he feels we've a planet to lose, or a "new life" to embark on.

"We must decide, and now, and so must they. It is time."

My sense at the conclusion of all this is that really precious few of us ( and I think it's almost none) have the mental accuity, emotional strength, or scientific and religious background to embrace such a twisted and allegorical relationship. It sounds quite exciting, seriously frightening, almost a metaphysical roller coaster ride of the most thrilling but repellent ferocity to me.

So wither the "toy gun/threat"?

Will they flood the alien ant farm called Earth again and wash the pestilent overcrowding away?

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Our migrating poles and potential earth changes and recently quite active volcanism hint that perhaps this is their "veiled" threat to us.

Frankly how else does one explain the religious fervor that accompanies the junk science that comprises the entire "global warming" charade? Sure it's a tax and spend scheme of Tulipmania social proportions writ even larger with pseudo-technology and instant gratification communication via the interwebs, but we already know the Al Gore's and Great Thunberg's of this global con job are in if for their own monetary enrichment, or at least we ought to by now.

So let's posit that mankind doesn't take their allegorical threat to heart, doesn't believe in their power, their presence, or determination. ATIP and the US Navy be damned!

Wither then 5th world as the Hopi elders promise us?

(https://www.manataka.org/images/5th%20World%20Emergence.jpg)

It may well be a most watery future we've in store for us then.

...as an aside Scott Wolter (the Freemasonic forensic geologist of "America Unearthed" fame) was just on Jimmy Church and strongly hinted that newly translated Masonic writings  have turned up regarding our antediluvian past and the Atlantean culture as he refers to it - not the focus on Atlantis as a single place.

I dunno, I suppose it's time to cue up "Waterworld" and enjoy a wet run "Mad Max" style.

So mote it be.

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Or we take their "deal" - the promise of just what it contains as opaque as Pelosi's health care bill - "you'll have to pass it to know what's in it."

I think I may 'vote' for a watery certainty, grim as that may be. At least we have seen the script before, historically speaking.

What say YOU????

 :o


Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Father OJ on January 16, 2020, 10:05:17 pm
It sounds like a disjointed mess, the ramblings of a 4:55am C2C caller. If it showed up on a publishers doorstep without Whitleys name on it would it have gotten published?
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 16, 2020, 11:02:50 pm
It sounds like a disjointed mess, the ramblings of a 4:55am C2C caller. If it showed up on a publishers doorstep without Whitleys name on it would it have gotten published?

Frankly no, it would not.

It was an interesting but also frustrating read. I'm not sure who Whitley's editor was, or if he even had one, but the hopping around and failure to channel the events into some form of coherent timeline made it a chore to read. The Kobolds alone ping pong through multiple chapters before we ever find out they may well be "us" in the future, which is the kind of revelation that someone more workmanlike in their writing (Nick Redfern perhaps) could have taken and run with as a central themed short book.

It's such a divergence from Whitley's early work that I'm inclined to blame Jeff Kripal for scrambling Whitley's formerly accessible prose into something resembling a miscast doctoral thesis of sorts.

My sense is that unless Whitley can provide an ATIP grade physical proof(s) this lifetime of experiments and staged theater is destined to be ultimately unfulfilling, regardless of how desperately he wants to promote contact.

That said, I found it somewhat comforting that he turned to prayer after the final prescis event - proof that some human constants have both merit sndf observable power. So really if there is no "God" as we know Him, if Christ was just a composite character as opposed to the actual Son of God...why would our alien "visitors" pull back from their meddling when His name was invoked?

And it also begs the question of why Kripal was so fearful of the brief contact he experienced. Only pure evil would have that visceral an impact so quickly one must think.

This is the kind of book where one is forced to winnow the events and speculations down to which ones seem to have concrete results. At least that was my take when all was said and done.

But there's another good read that bears mention here...more to come... :o
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 16, 2020, 11:10:42 pm
https://anomalistbooks.com/book.cfm?id=101

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SPACE AGE INDIANS presents the encounters of American Indians who lived from the time when the first human astronauts ventured into space to the present day—a time known as the Space Age. Almost all the experiencers interviewed by the author have used computers, social media, and the internet, at least to some extent. While their stories differed significantly from those not exposed to all the media information about UFOs and aliens, it did not appear to influence their experience. Their amazing and sometimes bizarre stories represent just a fraction of the more than four thousand accounts the author has collected over the years of interviewing American Indians around the country about their encounters with the Star People.

Note how much more organized the chapter flow is:

Section I: The Blue Men

Section II: Reptilians an Insectoids

Section 3: Other Star People


The other thing I can say for Clarke is that her writing hews to the best standards of interviewing; she lets her subject tell their story and in doing so the narration is very natural, always personal, and as such the diversity and commonality of these vivid encounters allow the reader to arrive at solid conclusions - one of mine being that there are some bad actors among the
"visitors" - bad enough that one ought not be out seeking contact on a whim.

It's tough book to put down. I read it in a rather short period of time because it was just that engaging!

 8)
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 18, 2020, 12:51:03 am
https://www.soulask.com/interdimensional-entities-are-visiting-us-confirms-the-fbi/

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According to released documents from the FBI archives these so-called interdimensional entities have been visiting us for a long time and have taken precautiions not to be seen in our visual spectrum and the only way they were detected in the first place is through infrared cameras! This is quite amazing stuff and a really big declaration by one of the world’s most respected law enforcement agencies? Could this be a load of old shoe laces or is there anything to this? Well, yes there is and it’s official as you can check for yourself right here:

Here’s a snap shot of the FBI website with the documents.

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So after reading these papers, it states in them:

Part of the Disks carry crews, other’s are under remote control.
Their mission is peaceful. The visitors contemplate settling on this plane.
These visitors are human-like but much larger in size.
They are not “unknown word” Earth people, but come from their own world.
They do not come from any “planet” as we use the word, but from an othoric planet which interpenertrates with our own and is not perceptible to us.
The bodies of the visitors, and the craft also, automatically “materialise” on entering the vibrancy of our dones matter. (Cp. “Apports”)
The disc possesses a type of radiant energy, or a ray which will easily disintergrate any attacking ship. They reenter the etheric at will, and so simply disapear from our vision without trace.
The region from which they come is not the “astral plane” but corresponds to the Lokas or Talas. Students of the aesoteric matter will understand these terms.
They probably cannot be reached by radio, but probably can be by radar if a signal system can be devised for that apparatus.
We give information and warning and can do no more. Let the newcomers be treated with every kindness, unless…


My oh my...Whitley gets confirmation from the FBI!

Dang.
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 28, 2020, 12:58:20 am
I'm going to introduce the fascinating Kiwi Trevor James Constable who spent a life in the Merchant Marine at sea and used his time shipboard to engage in experiments in cloud "busting" and rain "making" as Dr. Wilhelm Reich had.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VgJ67B9K7HQ/Ur5487IvesI/AAAAAAAAS3Q/ZDNY575WYDs/s1600/StrangeCaseofWilhelmReich.jpg)

But one of his key investigations was into "sky creatures" as he called them, or living UFOs:

https://youtu.be/1Ez4_rOI9VQ


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Author and historian Trevor James Constable discusses his work tracking the reality of huge, invisible flying creatures and his research into weather modification.
Constable detailed his initial discovery of invisible flying creatures in the 1950's, when he was visiting contactee George Van Tassel and was, himself, "extremely sensitive." During this encounter, Constable said he could feel the disturbances in the atmosphere created by these creatures, aimed his camera at them, and photographed the oddities. He alleged that these invisible entities were later captured on ultraviolet film by NASA in the infamous 1996 video release known as the "Tether Incident." Based on this footage, Constable surmised that "the whole of outer space is just crawling with these things."

He also talked about his research into weather modification, notably creating rain using what he called "a biological form of energy which conventional scientific people have not yet been able to master." He explained that this energy source is the same form of power that Wilhelm Reich called "orgone energy." Recalling his most productive experiment with rainmaking, Constable said that he'd generated 21 inches of rain over the course of 20 hours. According to him, the energy force used in his rainmaking experiments also serves as the propulsion method for both UFOs and the invisible creatures.

"Infrared film, exposed between dawn and sunrise in high, dry locales will frequently objectify invisible objects of various kinds living in and passing through the atmosphere." [p.51]

His results were extraordinary. Not only were conventional discs and spacecraft-like forms captured on film, but amazing ameoboid entities. Commenting on these, and describing his own astonishment and surprise, Trevor Constable, in his provocative and profound autobiographical book, "The Cosmic Pulse of Life", refers to

"...the unwelcome nature of these photographs....These living creatures, these bioforms, were neither what we wanted nor what we expected. We wanted spacecraft. At that time we stood in ignorance of any biological element in UFOs....In the intervening years I have observed with interest and fascination the disquieting, disturbing effect (the photos and film) have on all persons whose approach to UFOs is mechanistic. This experience has taught me that purported scientific "objectivity" is a fiction..." [pp83-4]

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This is a bit of a research preamble gang, please do a little digging on Reich, Orgone energy, and the etheric because I will soon post some material that dovetails with the grays or visitors vis a vis Whitley's experiences and not in perhaps the most benevolent manner.

 :-\

Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 28, 2020, 01:06:26 am
http://projectcamelot.org/reich.html

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When his group arrived in Tucson from heavily-wooded Maine on October 19, they were shocked by the Arizona desert, which was apparently much more severe than it is today. "We were impressed by the bare ground, giving a general impression of whiteness, hardness," Reich wrote. "The river beds had all been dry for about 50 years . . . no prairie grass was to be seen anywhere."

Over the next few weeks, the party – composed of Reich, his daughter Eva and son Peter, Moise and another assistant – suffered almost immediately from dehydration, exhaustion and general discomfort, all of which they attributed to poisonous "deadly orgone radiation." However, harassment from UFOs was sporadic but persistent, leading Reich to theorize that the "thirsty" aerial phenomena were actively fighting his rainmaking efforts.

The researchers fought back throughout November, apparently encouraging a rich growth of winter prairie grass but no rain. Transportation difficulties had forced Reich to leave his supply of radioactive material behind at Orgonon, leaving the cloudbusters at a sharp disadvantage against the UFOs. Without the radioactive charge, Reich's team could only annoy the lights in the sky but not hinder their inscrutable activity in any real sense.

Meanwhile, the UFOs kept making the researchers miserable. One of Reich's assistants suffered a "breakdown" while training his cloudbuster on the sky, forcing him to return to his family for a month of recuperation. In his absence, Reich speculated that the man had drawn too much poisonous orgone from a lurking alien object.
By December 7, Reich decided it was time to strengthen his hand by sending for his radioactive hole card, two radium needles charged with orgone. After a plane trip marked by misadventure and bad weather, the needles arrived a week later.

Once Reich had his radium, he was ready to retake the offensive against the UFOs and the desert simultaneously.
"On December 14, about 16:30 hours, a full-scale interplanetary battle came off," he wrote. "A battle which would have appeared incredible as well as incomprehensible to anyone who knew nothing about the (UFO) problems or who adhered to the illusion" that neither UFOs nor orgone existed.

First, the Orgonon team had to shake off "a special kind of deadly orgone attack" that left them "in very bad shape . . . sick . . . dulled, somehow out of balance." A "tremendous black cloud, looking like smoke from a huge fire" grew over Tucson, eventually taking on an angry reddish-purple coloration and triggering readings of 100,000 counts per minute on Reich's geiger counter. All of the researchers "suffered from nausea, quivering, pain in the upper abdomen and discoloration of movements," while "about a dozen Air Force planes of various kinds" flew over the team's camp.

Matters of orgone, beneficial or poisonous, aside, Reich's description of the event is reminiscent of a nuclear bomb test: a strong military presence, radiation, smoke, queasiness. However, it is unlikely that the government would set off a bomb apparently targeted directly on Tucson, a thriving regional center of commerce.

Reich brought his radium needles into contact with the cloudbusters and started firing away at the cloud to dissipate its power. The operation took about 20 minutes, at which time the cloud had broken up and the geiger count returned to normal.

It rained three weeks later. In the meantime, Reich's journal is filled with dozens of UFO sightings – "red-white-blue pulsations," "yellow pulsations," "silvery disks," "green-yellow steady" – on which to train his spacegun sights. Most "grew fainter," were "extinguished" or "blinked out." The grass covering the desert grew to a height of "several inches to a foot deep," encouraging local ranchers to drive cattle into the region in herds.

After a brief side trip to Jacumba, CA, the team headed home to Maine at the end of April, 1955. "Our job in Arizona was done," Reich said.

He was dead 18 months later, and all available copies of his books were burned by court order. Only a few copies survived, forcing his scattered disciples to rely on private printings of his works – including Contact in Space – for direction.
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 28, 2020, 08:47:43 pm
Reading list for you peeps:

https://theunfamousseries.com/hidden-history-rain-engineering-and-ufo-reality.html

https://borderlandsciences.org/cart/trevor-james-constable/

https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-History-Rain-Engineering-Reality/dp/1585091480?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-osx-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=1585091480


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Extra-physical entities with an interest in the earth plane can only manifest here through correspondences. They do not come down and land on the White House lawn because they do not belong to the Earth plane. So what they have to do is find correspondences within those in authority and control what they can access, and by those means, infuse their malevolent ideas and purposes into civilization....

Despite the prodigious proliferation of computers and other things that are supposed to improve productivity and increase the standard of living, our standard of living goes down. The chief agency and the chief link between the ruling authorities, the real rulers here, and those in the extra physical realm who are utilizing them, is the dishonesty of the men on the physical plane. That's what opens them to access from the unseen...

Anyone who does not understand the difference between Lucifer, Ahriman (the evil diety of the Zoroastrian religion) and Christ will never know anything about this world.

We in the USA are fully in the clutches not of Lucifer, but his opposite, Ahriman, and the Ahrimanic powers in general.

This is what you are dealing with in the so called phenomenon of the Greas, all of which is taking place in the darkness. It's a significant point, it's a signature. Nothing is out on the table, nothing is in the light, everything is in the dark....

Do verything that you want to do, or that you want to see done, in the broad light of day and right out on the tabletop. That is a principle I think that our government relinquished and buried a long time ago. Alas for America!

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- Paranoia Magazine - issue 5 summer 1994 ( interview with Trevor James Constable)

Consider that was 1994, for most of the populace very pre-interwebs.

Discuss.

https://www.deliriumsrealm.com/ahriman/

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Ahriman in Zoroastrianism
In ancient Persian religion (Zoroastrianism), Ahriman (aka Arimanius or Angra Mainya) stood high in the ranks of the enemies who opposed Ahura Mazda (aka Ohrmazd or Oromasdes). Ahriman is thought to be the first personification of “the Devil” because Zoroastrians believed in a completely dualistic form of religion.

Four Stands in Zoroastrianism
There are four major stands in Zoroastrianism. The first is that of Zarathustra (Zoroaster). The second is of the teachings of Mazdaism, which made Ahriman creator and leader of the daevas. The third is that of Zeravansim, and the fourth is that of the Magi.

Teachings of Zarathustra
Zarathustra believed that one of the ahuras, Ahura Mazda, was the supreme god, and chose to be good, while Ahriman chose to be evil. Therefore, the daevas that opposed the ahuras chose to be evil as well, and were commonly thought of as demons. All things in Zoroastrian have free will and choose whether they want to be good or evil.

According to the Vendidad, Ahriman co-created the world with Ahura Mazda, countering evil with everything good Ahura Mazda created. He created “the serpent in the river, and Winter, a work of the Daevas,” “the locust, which brings death unto cattle and plants,” “plunder and sin,” “the ants and the ant-hills,” “the sin of unbelief,” “tears and wailing,” “the Pairika Knathaiti, who claves unto Keresaspa,” “the sin of pride,” “a sin for which there is no atonement, the unnatural sin,” “the evil work of witchcraft,” “the sin of utter unbelief,” “a sin for which there is no atonement, the cooking of corpse,” and “abnormal issues in women, and barbarian oppression”. He also created creates 99,999 diseases.

He also attempted to maim the divine prophet Zarathustra. He first sent the demon Buiti to kill Zarathustra, but the prophet chanted aloud the Ahuna-Vairya, and the demon fled back to Ahrian. Ahriman himself then ‘rushed forth from the regions of the North to lure away the Prophet from the path of righteousness,’ but the prophet resisted the temptation and affirmed that he would never do the bidding of Ahriman.

Later texts refer to Ahura Mazda as having created six (sometimes seven) Amesha Spenta, or archangels. Angra Mainya also created a council of six (sometimes seven) archdemons. The archdemons (daevas) are known as Aka Manah, Indra, Sauru, Taurvi, Zairitsha, and Naonhaithya (the seventh is Aeshma).

Eventually, Ahriman will be defeated by the coming of a Saoshyant or Saviour. Ancient texts refer to three great souls who are designated to be Saoshyants. The third of these will destroy evil and bring forth the reign of righteousness. The coming is referred to in the Farvardin Yasht, which says he will be the son of Zarathustra and will be conceived through a virgin called ‘the all-destroying’ (Yasht xiii.142; Vendidad xix.5). He will be assisted by his friends, who are fiend-smitting, well-thinking, well-speaking, well-doing, and whose tongues have never uttered a word of falsehood (Yasht xiii.142).

After this, the world will be restored, the dead will arise, and life and immortality will come.

“With the disappearance of evil from the universe, good will prevail everywhere and for all time; and the accursed name of Angra Mainya will be forgotten. Ahura Mazda will be for ever, even as he has been from all eternity” (Yasht xix.11,12).



Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 28, 2020, 08:49:12 pm
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Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 28, 2020, 08:50:40 pm
https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-History-Rain-Engineering-Reality/dp/1585091480?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-osx-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=1585091480

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   vytob
4.0 out of 5 stars Great ideas from an obscure researcher
January 11, 2017
Format: PaperbackVerified Purchase
Trevor Constable (who died in 2016) was a remarkable man, but almost unknown, apart from very specialized circles. The book is a compilation of his achievements, largely as a collection of individual chapters on various topics of interest to Constable. The three--very unrelated--topics covered are (1) UFOs as living entities; (2) etheric rain engineering; and (3) UK army World War II history. The first topic is covered at greater length in his "Cosmic Pulse of Life," another highly recommended book. Etheric rain engineering is the dominant topic in the present book and, presumably, is the reason why most people would be buying the book. The late, great Dr. Wilhelm Reich (a polymath, if there ever was one) discovered the cloudbuster accidentally and, fortunately wrote that up enough so that others could pick up the thread. A number of people made limited efforts to duplicate what Reich did, but Constable dedicated several decades of his life to improving the system. Because of this, he must be considered a great inventor, since he brought it to a vastly improved state of competence, compared to what was proposed by Reich.

Nonetheless, the book and the man are frustrating. The main problem is that our society offers no way for truly innovative inventors to make a living other than keeping their inventions secret and trying to earn money from their proprietary nature. (By truly innovative, I mean those whose science is so far ahead of their times that the Patent Office would not give them the time of day). This usually frustrates, rather than enriching, the inventor. But worse yet, it keeps society impoverished, since the inventor struggles hard, learns profound truths or technologies, then takes them to his grave.

Mr. Constable is a poster boy for this situation. The book is interesting to read because the ideas are so novel and--most important--because they have been demonstrated to work. This is not some pie-in-the-sky scheme, but demonstrated control of the ethers to make rain and to drive away smog. But you will not learn how to make any of these devices from reading this book....it is a secret. Now, I suppose that someone who is already experimenting with cloudbusters might be able to take some subtle hints, or see some long-shot, small photos and glean something of value towards his endeavors. But if your read Reich's work and now want to go the next step beyond, this book is not a guidebook for you.

I also need to explain that, in Constable's case, taking his secrets to the grave is not fully correct. He formed a partnership with a Singapore businessman named George Wuu to commercially exploit the concepts in southeast Asia. Wuu's company, Etheric Rain Engineering Pte may or may not still exist, but if it does, it is clear that it is effectively invisible in the English-speaking world. Constable apparently retired about 15 years before his death, and any more current etheric rain engineering efforts are either done in deep secrecy or, more likely, no research is being pursued by anyone. Which is indeed a shame. As I write this review, googling "etheric rain engineering" gives exactly 87 hits. A phrase with three random words might give you more hits...
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 28, 2020, 10:07:57 pm
https://sites.google.com/site/waldorfwatch/ahriman

Steiner taught that Ahriman and Lucifer are demons who have wreaked great harm. But he also said that these demons have been helpful in our evolution. Lucifer’s aspirations to egohood and spiritual knowledge helped us to have similar aspirations — although he may mislead us into false spirituality and rebellion against the gods.

Ahriman is the demon of intellect, worldly knowledge, science, and technology. He offers us mastery of the physical realm, but he also lures us into excessive materialism and soullessness. His impending incarnation hangs like a hellish threat over modern life.


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This is a separate carving,
a bust of Ahriman,
also attributed to Steiner.
It is more Satanic
— more malevolent.
(Steiner generally identified
Ahriman as Satan
and Lucifer as the Devil,
although he sometimes
varied these identifications.)


Ahriman and his rival/partner Lucifer offer mankind gifts, Steiner taught. And to some degree, we need those gifts. But to a large degree, we must resist the demons. [See "Ahriman" and "Lucifer".] Demons, being demons, are bad dudes. (Just look at Ahriman's mug.) Except for the intervention of the Sun God, the demons would have done us in:

"Lucifer and Ahriman would have been able to bring about disaster to the whole of humanity.” — Rudolf Steiner, "Pre-Earthly Deeds of Christ", GA 152.

In Steiner's teachings, Christ is the Sun God. He fends off the demons for us. See "Sun God".

The demons, being demons, preside over evil kingdoms.

"The evil astral world is the province of Lucifer, the evil Lower Devachan the province of Ahriman." — Rudolf Steiner, THE ETHERISATION OF THE BLOOD (Rudolf Steiner Press, 1971), GA 130. [For more on demons, see "Evil Ones". For more on the astral world, Devachan, etc., see "Higher Worlds".]

From his demonic seat in the spirit realm, Ahriman meddles in physical reality, extending his corruptions through such mechanisms as computers.

◊ "[T]he stored program computer [provides an] incarnation vehicle capable of sustaining the being of Ahriman.” — David B. Black, THE COMPUTER AND THE INCARNATION OF AHRIMAN (Rudolf Steiner College Press, 1981), p. 33.

◊ “Ahriman finds...favourable conditions [for himself] especially in the world of the computer and digital industry.” — Anthroposophist Sergei Prokofieff, “The Being of the Internet,” PACIFICA JOURNAL (Anthroposophical Society in Hawaii), no. 29, 2006.

Computers did not exist in Steiner's day, but Steiner arguably foresaw the advent of "thinking machines" — and the prospect appalled him. Machines will begin to think, he indicated, and people will lose the power to think.

"[W]e have machines today which add and subtract; everything is convenient. Now, in the Future you will not get a law passed which says you must not think. No. What will happen is that things will be done the effect of which will be to exclude all individual thinking." — Rudolf Steiner, THINGS PAST AND PRESENT IN THE SPIRIT OF MAN (transcript, translated by E. H. Goddard), lecture 4, GA 167.

This would be an enormous victory for Ahriman, whose aim is to attack human spirituality and mentality. If he can lure us into slavish use of computers, Ahriman will cut us off from the angels.

"My experience is that the computer is definitely off limits for angels.” — From a discussion at the Rudolf Steiner Archive.

You have been warned.

Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 28, 2020, 10:09:22 pm
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...striking similarity to Ahriman, no? :o
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Father OJ on January 29, 2020, 09:55:05 pm
Roddenberry was closer
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Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on January 30, 2020, 10:15:30 pm
Roddenberry was closer
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Indeed so Padre, and here we go establishing a longer track record of media foreshadowing.

Something is messaging us on a great many levels (solid and subliminal) in a great many idioms, with a remarkably consistent iconography I feel.

 :-\
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: AZZERAE on February 08, 2020, 10:23:36 pm
Holy smokes! Thanks for the hidden gems, Metron ... Only just discovered 'em.

*smiles*
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: AZZERAE on February 08, 2020, 10:34:48 pm
Indeed so Padre, and here we go establishing a longer track record of media foreshadowing.

Something is messaging us on a great many levels (solid and subliminal) in a great many idioms, with a remarkably consistent iconography I feel.

 :-\

But why do they hide from view? Why do they do one-on-one and not show themselves in a more literal way?
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Father OJ on February 09, 2020, 02:20:18 am
But why do they hide from view? Why do they do one-on-one and not show themselves in a more literal way?
The "Childhoods end" theory suggests a systematic multi-generation desensitization process through limited contact and repeated exposure through pop culture...if any of that makes any sense lulz
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on February 09, 2020, 07:19:35 pm
Holy smokes! Thanks for the hidden gems, Metron ... Only just discovered 'em.

*smiles*

Hidden in plain sight, psychological camouflage... :-X

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Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on February 09, 2020, 07:26:00 pm
The "Childhoods end" theory suggests a systematic multi-generation desensitization process through limited contact and repeated exposure through pop culture...if any of that makes any sense lulz

Makes perfect sense starting with:
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Through:
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And up to...
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...and beyond...

Then we go all:
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But end up with:
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Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: AZZERAE on February 13, 2020, 06:35:26 pm
I just got my mitts on Whitley's novel "NEW". Not sure if I'll be able to review it as well as Metron did, but I guess I'm gonna try!

...

Maybe!
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on February 13, 2020, 06:43:04 pm
I just got my mitts on Whitley's novel "NEW". Not sure if I'll be able to review it as well as Metron did, but I guess I'm gonna try!

...

Maybe!

I'll look forward to reading your review, in whatever form you choose.

I saw the free download and decided to pass as fiction isn't on my radar of late. "The Messengers" is occupying my reading time with so many owls I may end up swiveling my own head!

Lol.

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Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: AZZERAE on February 19, 2020, 09:56:01 am
I wonder why he's giving it away for free.
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on February 19, 2020, 05:57:38 pm
I think he needs traction and listeners at this stage of his career.

Have you dipped into it yet, is it any good?
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: AZZERAE on February 19, 2020, 05:59:01 pm
I think he needs traction and listeners at this stage of his career.

Have you dipped into it yet, is it any good?

I haven't gotten very far into it. Fiction isn't my forte either, of late.

I wanna get A NEW WORLD though.
Title: Re: Whitley Strieber
Post by: Metron on February 19, 2020, 08:45:08 pm
Honestly, I'd more highly commend you to Dr. Clarke's "Space Age Indians" in terms of a satisfying read, to say nothing of the variety of experiences and alien races involved.

I've spare time at best for fiction anymore.

I'm quite immersed in Mike Cleland's "The Messengers" now - owls have a LOT to teach us it seems...

https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2016/01/the-messengers-ufos-owls-and-synchronicity/

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As my words make clear, Clelland’s book is a very important one, and for several reasons: (A) the subject-matter is one which a lot of people in Ufology may have heard of, but which has not (until now) received the scrutiny it deserves; (B) the author is an integral part of the story, and is, therefore, in an ideal position to comment on it; (C) the book demonstrates that approaching and studying the UFO phenomenon purely from the “nuts and bolts” angle is as pointless as it is utterly misguided; and (D) The Messengers reveals time and again something that so many who have immersed themselves in the UFO enigma have come to realize. Namely, that the investigator often attracts the deep attention of the phenomenon and, as a result, becomes an integral part of the story. Arguably, the investigator even becomes the subject of significant manipulation.